FOAK: Serious Questions, regarding mental issues etc.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by JackH, Feb 14, 2005.

  1. JackH

    Muck Guest

    My killfile is a living thing, people come out after a while.

    It's not that I don't like you, or dissagree with everything you have to
    say, I just think you're a tosser.
     
    Muck, Feb 14, 2005
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  2. JackH

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Oh my God! I should be really worried, then, should I, in case I
    suddenly find myself getting addicted to things?
     
    Ben Blaney, Feb 14, 2005
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  3. JackH

    Ben Blaney Guest


    You're making precious little sense, and you seem very tense - it's a
    possibility.
     
    Ben Blaney, Feb 14, 2005
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  4. JackH

    Pip Guest

    Durn it ;-)

    I was referring to that well-known manufacturer of a range of
    motorcycle suspension parts, WP - formerly known as White Power.
     
    Pip, Feb 14, 2005
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  5. JackH

    dwb Guest

    How do these co-exist?
     
    dwb, Feb 14, 2005
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  6. JackH

    dwb Guest

    Bit of a cheap shot though isn't it, making reference to motorcycle stuff
    and expecting me to get it?
     
    dwb, Feb 14, 2005
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  7. JackH

    JackH Guest

    I guess you are lucky - I fear, given a straw poll of the people I've known
    throughout life, you are in the minority anyway, when it comes to willpower
    of this kind.

    For me, fruit machines are something that without fail, comes back to haunt
    me from time to time - a lot of people including myself don't really
    understand this one, as you're not physically taking something to feed the
    addiction... it is however, quite a strong one when at its worst - one
    afternoon, I sat in front of one machine whilst getting pissed, and pumped
    £110 into it - if I won the jackpot, I threw it back in, if I ran out of
    coins, I'd stick another £20 in the note slot.

    Total for that day, was £180, including the beer, fruit machines etc., and
    this really was when I couldn't afford to waste anywhere near that kind of
    money

    I suffer from depression quite a lot, and it has been explained to me that
    gambling in this way is sometimes a way of numbing ourselves to the reality
    we're in... the monotinous slotting of coins and pushing of buttons does
    seem to mong you out, and it's only when all the money has gone you wake up
    to what you've just done, and leave more depressed than when you went in,
    vowing never to gamble again... and then a few days later, you deliberately
    make sure you gofor lunch in teh pub.

    On reflection, I wish at times I had more willpower in this respect - I
    admit I am weak, although it has to be said, the heavy days are now gone,
    but I admit that of late I've been having the odd flutter a bit more often
    than perhaps I should.

    I then compare this to drink: I do like one... but normally of a weekend,
    and I'll take my weeks worth in one hit, rather than go down the 'wake up to
    a lovely cup o' Special Brew', route - in other words, I drink regularly out
    of choice, not necessity, and can (and quite often do), leave it by the
    wayside without getting any cravings etc.

    I guess we all have our strengths and weaknesses... but if I do end up going
    on a UKRM trip over the water in the near future, I'd be grateful if I could
    be kept away from the fruit machines on the boat... ;-)
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  8. JackH

    JackH Guest

    Well funnily enough, he fell out with someone a few years back, and they
    sent some trained ape along who jumped him in the dark by way of coming out
    of the darkness and cracking him round the head with a hammer.

    And he got back up and grappled it off the bloke, net result he lobbed the
    hammer through the miscreants back window as they sped off.

    Which is exactly the reason why I know there is no point in trying to beat
    sense into him... ;-)
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  9. JackH

    JackH Guest

    I am aware he has recently been hinting at some very unsavoury shit from his
    childhood, which may after all this time be coming out, as he's now actively
    positive about seeing a counsellor his sister has organised for him.
    I will do, if between me and his ex, and / or the counsellor, we can't get
    him to want to go himself.
    He seems to accept the fact he needs to stop drinking... when he's sober and
    in good spirits (no pun intended)

    He doesn't really say much about the weed - I suspect that's the one he'd
    cling on for, more than the others... it's more the apparent blindness to
    how frightening and violent he gets, that bothers me and that I feel will
    ultimately be his downfall, be that through death or a life in prison.
    10 years is the figure he's given me, for the amount of time he was using
    it... he doesn't seem to crave it now, having stayed clean for four months,
    but I suspect this is in part due to the excess of booze and weed he's now
    doing.
    Cheers. :)
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  10. JackH

    JackH Guest

    I've known him 20 of my coming up for 32 years... never used to be like
    this, and we were like brothers when we younger... which I suppose is why
    I've tried to persevere up until now, knowing the person he was, and still
    is at times, when his mood is right.
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  11. JackH

    JackH Guest

    I'm sorry to hear that... being blood, it's not like you really have the
    option to walk away if needs be either really, is it... :-S
    This is exactly how I'm starting to feel, as twice in the last week I've
    unexpectedly seen the less savoury side of him, with no real warning it was
    approaching.

    Up until recently, I only saw him lash out at his ex, his sister, and
    others, and I seemed to be able to calm him... now I think perhaps in his
    head, I am lumped in with everyone else around him.
    Sounds exactly like my mate - he was, funnily enough, kicking a door of the
    pub last night, as he made after me when I went to leave him to it. Threats
    a plenty, I just calmly got back in the car and drove off, because when he's
    in that mood, even if you just nodded in agreement with whatever he's
    accusing others of, he'd still be acting in a menacing manner - not nice.
    Same as, same as... but I reckon even they are starting to get to the end of
    their tether!
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  12. JackH

    JackH Guest

    Sorry to hear that. :-(
    Can't afford to, even if I wanted to... ;-)
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  13. JackH wrote
    That will be the combination of the booze and the coke. It is quite a
    horrible transformation to watch as an evening passes by.
    Probably.

    As the others have said, it is his move.
     
    steve auvache, Feb 14, 2005
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  14. JackH

    JackH Guest

    I can put up with it all... just not the violence.
    I hope so, as he's a nice bloke when he's not off on one.
    It's not a case of can't be arsed... I genuinely saw a nastier side than
    normal last night - I really did think maybe he was going to attack me,
    that's the difference.
    Aye... well I've spoken to his ex at dinner time - apparently the tears
    flowed later in the evening yesterday, as did the talk of suicide... I've
    asked her to let him know he can ring me if he wants me to pop up etc., but
    if he turns on me again, that's it for the foreseeable.
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  15. JackH

    flash Guest

    You can't sniff me, your beard will tickle.
     
    flash, Feb 14, 2005
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  16. JackH

    JackH Guest

    He's not touched coke for four months though... although 10 years of
    persistent abuse doesn't just get out your system overnight just cos you've
    stopped, I suspect.

    And we think he may have done a load of Speed the other day, which defnitely
    won't have helped, but like most addicts, try getting them to openly admit
    they've taken something...
     
    JackH, Feb 14, 2005
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  17. JackH

    Ben Blaney Guest

    a temporarily-unwell-file, then?
    So killfile me properly then, ffs.
     
    Ben Blaney, Feb 14, 2005
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  18. JackH

    Ben Blaney Guest

    .... doesn't agree with this.

    Which is the point I made in the post you piggybacked.
    That's what I'm saying: I wouldn't get addicted.
     
    Ben Blaney, Feb 14, 2005
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  19. JackH wrote
    Coke is a very peculiar drug, personally I don't see the attraction and
    I have had access to plenty of free Dealers Choice in the past. Also,
    who among us needs to spend money to turn into a loud mouthed obnoxious
    ****?

    Different buzz all together. Coke is noted for the tremendous boost it
    gives to self confidence and feelings of well being without too many of
    the "lift the top of your head off" type sensations. Speed gets you
    bopping.

    It is not so much that they have taken something, more that they have
    taken something which affects them badly.
     
    steve auvache, Feb 14, 2005
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  20. JackH

    Ben Blaney Guest

    I do have more willpower than anyone else I know. It's great when it
    comes to drinking, and smoking and taking drugs, but it's a bit of a
    **** in other ways.
    I've been a pretty heavy gambler at times, but - again - was never
    addicted.

    Never liked fruit machines, though. Apart from the garish lights and
    the moronic "music", it's just very little to do with what I like
    about gambling.
     
    Ben Blaney, Feb 14, 2005
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