FOAK: Race cans and points

<Shrugs> Dunno mister.


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AndrewR says...

Fat fucking lot of use you are. I hope you're better as a Pope than a
legal advisor.

 

I want to be Granny Weatherwax when I grow up.

 

lol

 

Unlike lawyers the Pope is allowed to just make it up as he goes along and
who's going to check that he's right, eh?

Now say 10 Hail Marys for dissing the vicar of Christ.


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NIP does not equal points! It means you'll get prosecuted! However,
I'm very confident that the penalty you'd get would not involve points
- just a fine.

However, Bear's point is the more valuable one. If you're going
around with a race pipe, you're going to attract the dibbles. And, on
a 12R, you're just *bound* to be breaking the speed limit. If they
catch you doing that, then you *will* get points. Which is one of te
reasons why I've not had a road bike with a noisy exhaust for nearly
20 years.

 

<pope mode [1] >
I still think that for the insurance co to claim that you'd broken
such a condition, they'd have to face some test of reasonableness as
to the impact of the modification. Is putting a pattern chain and
sprockets on the bike a mod? A hugger? Blingdicators? Different
tyres from OE?

The reason for the "modifications" question is to catch bikes with
nitrous injection, turbo and the like, so that the insurer can assess
the risk correctly. I don't believe a 'race can' falls in that
category.

[1] making it up as he goes along

 

That isn't the case these days ime. Despite having race pipes on both
road bikes, the only times I've been pulled were once by a radar plod
for speeding (he didn't care about the cans) & a few times at 'safety
checks' where they stop every single bike regardless.

The *only* time I've been stopped by a cop following me was on an XT250
20 years ago. His reason was the exhaust 'looked funny' (it was a
Supertrapp). I shat myself that time as I was returning to college
after spending lunchtime harvesting in the mushroom fields - had a
rucksack full of the things.

They will give you a VRN if you're pulled at a 'safety check', but they
really don't seem to care otherwise as long as you're not riding like a
twat. If they were that worried about noisy cans, they could just turn
up at any summer meet & have a field day.

 

The question is, as you say, whether the change is material to the risk
insuring the bike represents to the company. It needn't just be about
performance either, they might suggest that race cans make the bike more
prone to theft or are more likely to be fitted by idiot who always ride as
fast as they can and crash more. The point is you're not allowed to 2nd
guess your insurance company on what is and what is not material to your
policy.

More important, in this context though, is what would happen if you were
pulled over with a race can fitted to your bike and then showed the copper
an insurance certificate which said that the bike was not modified from
standard? This raises, in quick succession, the questions:

1. Would the copper try to suggest you were riding uninsured?

2. Can no insurance be done as a FPN?

3. If so would you risk taking it to court?

4. If it does have to go to court would the CPS try it?

5. If they did would it stand up in court?

I think the answers, in order, are "probably not", "no", "no", "no" and
"maybe", but it is possible.

You'd think that SWKs would be here by now, wouldn't you?

Anyway, say 10 Our Fathers while you're waiting and talk to me later about
indulgences.


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My current bunch (Hastings) had trouble even understanding that concept
when I was after a quote. The key bit seemed to be that as it currently
had the race can fitted, and I was looking to take that off and put the
stock one back on, I was modifying the bike and would have to declare
that modification. If I left the race can on, I wasn't modifying it.

So if you ever get to speak to Jenny at Hastings Direct, nice girl but
not too bright. Or, as she put it: "It's all gone a bit Irish."

 

No, the point is to not bother even trying to second guess them in the
first place. Declare it - it may not affect the premium at all or it may
bump it up by a few quid, but it won't be the end of the world.

 

Bear <> came forth with the following in
uk.rec.motorcycles

Funny you should ask, just the other day I was pulling out of the driveway
and thought if I had a little more power I could get to the end of our road
10 nanosecs quicker :0)

Although the can did create more power I didn't get it for that reason.
The sound and look of it was primary

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In the eyes of some people I think that could be said of any bike nowdays

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I think you're spot on there, although my one speeding pull was in a 40
limit, which is ironic as I never speed in 30s or 40s. On that
occassion I was doing 60-something round a bend on an NSL road, & the
40 limit started just after the bend. Unfortunately the road leading up
to the limit was covered in wet slime & cowshit from a field entrance,
so there was no way I was touching the brakes. Plod zapped me just
after I went past the 40 signs doing 62.

An excellent list

Yeah I think that's the clincher. 68 in a 60 with a race can might get
you points, whereas no race can would probably just earn an ear
bashing. I think the whole package makes a difference too e.g. a
textile-clad white-helmeted rider on a Goldwing is less likely to be
pulled than a power ranger for the same 'offence'.

 

I'd be interested to know how you rate these two items like this (in
proportion to each other, I mean).

 

That wasn't really what I meant - I'm saying that the noise will get
their attention, and then they'll see what you're up to.

 

I guess that's possible in the right circumstances. Perhaps I've just
been lucky so far.

 

I beg to differ in the case of holiday or travel insurance.

But in my case where they were relying on a technicality, I got them on
a sub clause that their technicality invoked and I then claimed for
something else that covered my costs.


It was Legal and General in 1997. Who wriggled like a wriggley thing
with the wriggles when it came to paying out.


Different company but I'm still trying to get compensation for our
flights to Barbados being delayed 25 hours in September this year.

 

Well, that's the thing: I thought that a lid strap not done up *was*
enshrined in statute.

 

Bear wrote

<fx: Raises hand tentatively>

Read a review here

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0110_hayabusa/

about releasing the potential of the 12R. They reckon
powercommandering it smooths out the on/off throttle and gives more
power.

That'd suit me fine, as exiting roundabouts is a bit of a chore
without very careful application of the funhandle.

They do say is shags the fuel consumption though :-0

P.