FOAK: Kawie Carburetor Idle Adjustment

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Biker Dude, Nov 6, 2010.

  1. I really, really, *really* doubt the coils are the problem.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 16, 2010
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  2. I suppose your carbs are the slide valve type, not the diaphragm type
    used on GPZ550's?
    Yannow, some Kawasakis had a voltage reducing resistor in the wiring
    harness and they used low resistance coils. It seems to me the coils
    were about 1.5 ohms resistance.

    Kawasakis without the resistors used a higher resistance coil of about
    3 ohms, and motorcycles with high voltage capacitor discharge ignition
    systems used coils with 5 ohms resistance.

    If a previous owner installed the wrong resistance coils or removed
    the resistor you'd have coils that got hot and stopped making sparks
    at the right time or they would put out weak sparks...
     
    schwarzesonne, Nov 16, 2010
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  3. Early model GPz550s used slide carbs, not CVs. Your call.
    It's not the coils that are the problem. Unless someone has installed
    non-standard coils, which is a remote possibility, to say the least.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 16, 2010
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  4. OK, I'll call you an obnoxious argumentative asshole.

    You wanna raise?
     
    schwarzesonne, Nov 16, 2010
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  5. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

    One of the two coils may have developed a fault due to old age. I
    think that testing them is cheap and smart.

    Will take the coils to the local motorcycle dealer for some
    sophisticated evaluation.

    Biker Dude
     
    Biker Dude, Nov 16, 2010
    #25
  6. Yes, that's true, if *you* understand the circuit and do the testing
    *yourself*.
    Motorcycle dealers rarely have a mechanic who knows anything about
    electrical circuits and components, they basically just prescribe
    "shotgun" remedies of replacing *components* until something fixes the
    problem they didn't understand in the first place.

    That's why I suggested that you check out the Kawasaki ignition
    resistor situation.

    Some Kawasakis had it, others didn't.

    And you really can't tell whether you have the right coils until you
    know.
     
    schwarzesonne, Nov 16, 2010
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  7. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

    They certainly look like they've been on the bike for thirty years.
    They must be original from the factory.

    Old coils tend to fail and when they do so the sparks get weak and the
    bike gets slow.

    The local dealer has the tester and will bench test them for me.

    Biker Dude
     
    Biker Dude, Nov 17, 2010
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  8. If you've got a faulty coil, the bike misfires or doesn't fire at all.
    I've had a coil fail twice on an air-cooled Kawasaki four.

    The bike doesn't just slow down.

    OK, yours is misfiring, but you've already said it's in a hell of a poor
    state. You've fiddled with the carburettors. The problem is more likely
    to be carb-related than coil-related.

    Other likely culprits - HT leads and plug caps.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 17, 2010
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  9. Well, you do what you want, but if it was my bike I wouldn't trust the
    advice of any mechanic that wasn't already over 30 years old when he
    worked on KZ550's when they were current in 1982.

    The mechanic would still be younger than me...

    I spent several hours last summer reminiscing about old times with a
    factory-trained Honda technician and he was surprised to learn that I
    knew the guy who'd certified him in the 1970's.

    I knew stuff about those old bikes that amazed him.
     
    schwarzesonne, Nov 17, 2010
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  10. Biker Dude

    S'mee Guest

    yeah he's correct adn YOU are a dumb ass know it all failure at life.
    match.
     
    S'mee, Nov 17, 2010
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  11. Biker Dude

    S'mee Guest

    can't hurt...but.
     
    S'mee, Nov 17, 2010
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  12. To clarify my previous remarks:

    **** YOU, ASSHOLE!
     
    schwarzesonne, Nov 17, 2010
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  13. Biker Dude

    S'mee Guest

    Once again you lie and fantasize about things...pathetic.
     
    S'mee, Nov 17, 2010
    #33
  14. Biker Dude

    TOG@Toil Guest

    I'm not surprised at all. What you profess to know amazes *me*.
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 17, 2010
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  15. Biker Dude

    TOG@Toil Guest

    I knew stuff about those old bikes that amazed him."

    But not much about Kawasaki 550 carbs, evidently :)
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 17, 2010
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  16. Biker Dude

    TOG@Toil Guest

    I wonder how badly he wants to sell new ones? They were £70-odd each,
    when I had to replace mine, about a decade ago.

    Questions:

    1. Was it running OK before you fiddled with it?
    2. If not, when did it last run sweetly?
    3. What happened between when it last ran sweetly and now? Was it just
    parked up and left?

    If the answer is, say, "About 10 years ago" to (2) and it was just
    parked and left, then it is much more likely to be the carbs than the
    coils. Could be the coils, yes, but it's unlikely.
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 17, 2010
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  17. Biker Dude

    TOG@Toil Guest

    That reminds me - they used the same coils on all the 550 fours (shaft-
    drive G, GPz, basic Z) and also on the 750 fours (same applies). The
    only differences were in the HT leads, which were slightly shorter on
    the smaller 550cc engines, but as the HT leads were not integral with
    the coils this wasn't a problem.

    I discovered this when the coil went phut on my GT750 (1987 P5 model).
    I never heard of any resistor in the ciorcuit, and my 750 ran
    perfectly on 550 coils (with 750 HT leads), so I *strongly* suspect
    you're talking nonsense here as well.
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 17, 2010
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  18. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

    Just got back from the Motorcycle Stealer, I mean DEALER.

    Coils, HT leads, etc. all checked out perfectly. They suggest that I
    investigate the little CDI box.

    At the age of this ol hoss any and all parts n pieces are suspect.

    Biker Dude
     
    Biker Dude, Nov 17, 2010
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  19. I reckoned they would. It's the carbs. It's the carbs. It's always the
    carbs.
    They suggest wrong. Electronic ignition units either work or they don't
    - there is no halfway house.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 17, 2010
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  20. Make sure that the mechanical ignition advancer works freely.
     
    schwarzesonne, Nov 17, 2010
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