FOAK - filtering with oncoming traffic

Just a hypothetical question

Wide-ish road, long row of cars parked on the right hand side. When
filtering down the outside of the slow moving traffic with a single oncoming
car some way up the road, who would have right of way at the point where the
parked cars start? I was always taught that you should give way to oncoming
traffic before pulling out to pass parked vehicles but judging by the
possible look on the hypothetical blokes face in the imaginary oncoming car
and the general waving of clenched fists, I would surmise that this may not
be a view shared by everyone?

 

Grimley_Feindish wrote

Me.

 

Get a white bike.
You'll always have right of way.
Trust me.

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If you were on his side of the road, and he would've been able to
continue were you not there, then he has right of way. Basically you
were overtaking traffic, & by doing so caused an oncoming vehicle to
take avoiding action.

 

Preston Kemp secured a place in history by writing:

Clarify this a bit for me? I've always worked on the basis that, regardless
of parked vehicles, if I can proceed entirely on my side of the road and
the oncoming traffic can't, I have right of way. Correct? 'Cos not all
drivers seem to think like this, particularly not when I am forced to ride
near the centre-line by parked vehicles and the oncoming traffic isn't, but
are still encroaching on my side because the road's narrow....

Won't change my riding ('it's morally right') but would be nice to know...

 

Normally yes, unless there's a sign saying otherwise. But if the only
way you can proceed is by overtaking other traffic, and by doing so you
force the oncoming traffic to stop (even if you do stay entirely on
your side of the white line), it's not hard to see why people might get
a tad annoyed. If there was a 'coming together', you'd be on very
sticky ground (no puns intended, honest...).

Personally I'd say it's morally wrong, but wgaf - they're only cars.

 

Preston Kemp secured a place in history by writing:

That's good enough for me...

 

Yes, I have to agree there.

 

I'm seriously considering it...

White *and* with appropriate colours of scotchlite in relevant places.

Possibly the car, too!
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I couldn't possibly comment.

Whispers:
Green and yellow seems to work well.

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I was sort of on the white line that he would have had to be on to get round
the parked cars. The traffic I was going past tends to sit to the left of
the lane to leave room for oncoming traffic to get past the parked cars. It
was the fact that I was there first and it was his side of the road with the
obstruction that led to my question really. It wasn't a close call or
anything, he didn't have to brake hard or swerve, just slow down a little to
allow me to clear the end of the parked cars.

I guess it comes down to that 'if in doubt don't do it' thing, which in the
heat of the moment is so easily mutated into the 'if in doubt do it harder
and faster just to compensate' thing

 

Right of way don't mean **** all when you're picking yourself up off the
floor, or worse.

Ever heard of defensive riding?

Whenever I ride in traffic I take the view that no one has seen me
untill their actions indicate otherwise. It's a bastard that it has to
be that way but I'm not moaning & whinging about my riding experience
being spoiled by cunts who aren't really driving like they should be.



Chas.

 

Fair point and yes I have. I wasn't moaning though, just curious about other
peoples opinions on the matter. Personally I prefer assertive riding ie.
making yourself visible and making it clear what you intend to do from the
off, or is that one and the same? I tend not to filter at more than 10-15mph
in traffic so the situation wasn't really that bad, it was just the blokes
reaction I found curious.

 

ride assertively and defensively. so long as you've got a safe space to
get into, claim your right to the road. Crossing the white line and
making others take avoiding action is what's important, no? sometimes
they come into conflict. filtering can be overtaking. crossing the
white line can be ok. it's a minefield. my opinion? make other drivers
notice you (white bike/flashy lights/loud can/riding right at them when
they're in the wrong) SO LONG AS you have a safe position you can get
to. as G implied-being right ain't no good from the hospital bed.

 

I assume they have seen me and WILL try to kill me.

Riding is constant creation of and re-assessment of escape plans.

Combining this with maintaining optimal road position and maximizing
progress on a heavy, slow handling and low-powered machine makes for
an exciting ride every time.

The Blackbird was boring, Gertrude isn't.

 

Riding is constant creation of and re-assessment of escape plans.


exactly
or rather

Riding is constant creation of and re-assessment of what you can get
away with (which necessitates escape plans)

and

you can't quickly escape if you aren't riding quickly
all you can do is brake.
when you're stopped you're out of control.

 

Any idiot can twist an accelerator grip. Take away that option and
life becomes more interesting.

 

if you take away the accelerator you don't go ANYwhere, no?

but seriously, more interesting?
more dangerous, i say.

you brake
you stop
you are at everyone's mercy
you have NO control

keep moving
twisting the accelerator grip will save your bacon more than the brakes
will

 

His reaction indicates fury, would you agree?

What do you think he was furious about?

(Please ignore if you don't think shaking a clenched fist indicates fury)

I think he was furious because you scared him, I don't think he set out
to pass those parked cars on the basis that it would scare you shitless.
I think it scared him shitless when he realised (potentially too late)
that you were filtering past the slow moving traffic that he was focused on.

Do you think he was somehow out to get you?

What place does "assertive riding" have on the food chain?

Defensive riding is about visibility, how do you make clear YOUR
intentions to a driver who hasn't seen you?


Chas.

 

Chas wrote

No. Defensive riding is all about not being hit.

It doesn't matter a flying **** whether they see you or not. It is all
about the physics of two bodies not occupying the same space time
continuum together. If you are not there then they can't hit you, even
if they can see you, which of course they won't.