FOAK: European tour

Don't be racist - other cultures are just as bad. The only reason the
western nations have a lead on it is because of technology - not some
innate badness.

Phil.

 

<Books emergency flight to somewhere far far away>

<Checks news for "UK explodes, man with screwdriver suspected">

Phil.

 

The lead in technology is due, in part, to European savagery,
c.f. weavers in Dacca.

 

Krausers old fitting kits did indeed fit just about anything, and
rather well too. I have personally transferred an old set of Krauser
panniers from a 400 Four to a GT750 to a DR350 (believe it or not) to
a TDM850.

 

Europeans by no means have a monopoly (or even a lead!) in savagery.
Read about how people like the Assyrians treated their enemies!

Human nature is pretty universal.

Phil.

 

Or the Israelites, for that matter.

I didn't say Europeans were more savage than anyone else.

 

So why single them out?

Phil.

 

I didn't: it was a response to the statement that the technology
improved the savagery. The reverse is also true.

 

What about the Vitalites, eh?
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

 

Ah - I misunderstood. But then my statement wasn't that technology
improved the savagery - it merely enables it to be spread around
better.

A bit like environmental impact - people have this image if primitive
tribes as 'living at one with nature' until you point out the many
cases (post-ice age Europe, Iron Age Britain, Easter Island[1], North
America) where non-advanced societies have caused mass-extinctions of
species by over-hunting or destruction of habitat. All the technology
enables you to do is do it more quickly.

Phil.

[1] Under debate - although it's pretty certain that they did destroy
the environment of the island pretty thoroughly it's debatable whether
it pushed them into social collapse as was first assumed.

 

I don't recall reading it - I'll see if I can locate a copy.

And looking the book up online I can confirm I haven't read it - but
what I wrote above seems fairly self-evident.

Phil.

 

A few years ago, I flogged quite a few Krauser sets. A pair of
panniers, with key(s), frames and a load of brackets still fetches
£100 all day long. Best time to sell is early summer, when people are
planning their touring trips.

Frames and boxes, but no mounting brackets, will still be worth £50+.
Individual old panniers, no keys, sell for about a tenner each at
jumbles.

The keys are a bugger - those old Krausers used a stamped metal key,
rather than a cut one, and they're sods to duplicate. No bugger has
blanks, but I found a key place that adapted something else to suit.

 

Climate change brought about by mankind - "A load of bollocks".

Ask the dinasours...

--

Paul.
CBR1100XX SuperBlackbird (Buen mueble de patio)
And a pushbike of some sort.
BOTAFOT #4
BOTAFOF #30
MRO #24
OMF #15
UKRMMA #30

 

You always have trouble, heechen

 

Oh. Oh. The Bikealites.

 

Didn't they make the original telephone?

 

Had the bestest meal ever in my entire life, there.
--
| ___ Salad Dodger
|/ \
_/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/CBX1000Z
|_\_____/_| ..92295../..24851.../..31928.
(>|_|_|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 WG*
|__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 PM#5
\ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4
\|^|/ ANORAK#17 IbB#4 YTC#4 two#11
'^' RBR Clues: 49 Pts:0960 Miles:2695

 

Which establishment?

<googles>

Le Cappadoce Kebab?

 

The Logis de France place. The owner moved his car out onto the street
so I could park the bike overnight in his garage, too.

1986, iirc.

IOU one clip round the ear, young feller me lad.
--
| ___ Salad Dodger
|/ \
_/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/CBX1000Z
|_\_____/_| ..92295../..24851.../..31928.
(>|_|_|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 WG*
|__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 PM#5
\ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4
\|^|/ ANORAK#17 IbB#4 YTC#4 two#11
'^' RBR Clues: 49 Pts:0960 Miles:2695

 

Ah. Le Relais Saint-Jacques. I wonder if it's changed.

CRTEBSD#1 is mine.