FOAK: Dog training and 'shock' collars

Er... am I being whoooshed?

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "flashgorman"

Ooh... you terrible person. We'll be round to bomb your office in the
morning, is that all right?

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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

Certainly is.

Yep. It's a different mindset, and the dog seems to trust me a lot more.

Last weekend was a good one for us. After months of trying, he finally
decided to join me on the bike for short ride at a very slow walking pace.
He hopped up, and sat happily in my lap with his front paws on the tank,
and his tongue lolling in the breeze. I was a tad worried when a cat
strolled across the road in front of us, but I kept reassuring him, and he
stayed put. He even seemed to enjoy the attention of passers by as they
pointed us out to their kids, as, I admit, did I.
I'm going to make a harness (like a rucksack worn backwards with holes for
his legs) to keep him secure, stick some griptape or similar on the tank
for his paws, get him a set of doggles to keep the wind and shite out of
his eyes, and then the pair of us can hit the road together. Hopefully
there'll be no more sad eyes when I pick up a lid.

Unbelievably so.

Hehe, it's amazing the difference in the dog, even after a short time. The
shag potential is certainly there, but I'm trying to stay focused on the
learning as best I can for a while.

 

There's an old geezer that has a Jack Russell that goes round with him
on an old NTV650 Revere. Funnily enough, I've only ever seen him round
Kensington.

The grip tape is a great idea and one I'd not thought of for when one
day I do actually get a dog. I grew up with them and miss them really. I
had the same idea of the rucksack with holes in and like your idea of
the doggles, but (seriously) if you think of an idea for a crash helmet,
do share. I'd only ever considered the hollowed out shell of a melon or
something but I don't think this would last very long.

I'd also thought about cutting a hole in the lid of a topbox so the
doggie can put his head through but wasn't sure how Fido would fare in
the unfortunate event of a spill.

Seriously, this isn't a pisstake, and one of the reasons I still don't
have a dog is that I work long hours and it wouldn't be fair to keep him
or her locked in the house for 12 hours at a time. I have thought about
changing over to lorries or vans but that doesn't solve the sad eye
thing when I go out like you did.

 

Sidecar.

http://home.freeuk.net/thewolf/page6.htm

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Phil Launchbury

There's a type of collar which releases a small burst of orange or lemon
scent every time the dog barks. Makes the dog go 'WTF?' and stop
barking. After a while of this it supposedly stops its nuisance barking
altogether.

These collars are also available in postman, jehova, dgsales, canvasser
and bailiff scents.

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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

No. It is just one of my pet hates, that phrase. How can anything be
"one of the only" FFS?

 

I know that url, Platy. I can't read it because it will make me sad -
I miss my dogs.

 

And there speaks a man well aware of market niches just gagging to be
filled.

 

Extremely fucking cruel and unnecessary. Try wiring yourself up with one
for a few days and give the trigger to your missus/husband if you can't
figure out why. Of course, you probably have the benefit of
understanding something about electricity and knowing that you're
unlikely to suffer any permanent harm, unlike your dog...

Also extremely fucking cruel and unnecessary. Moreso than the electric
collar. Especially on the single most sensitive area of the dog's
anatomy (assuming it's been castrated if male). You run the very real
risk of permanently damaging the dogs sense of smell (its primary means
of communication) every time you hit it on the nose. Don't be a
twattock: get a book or ask your vet for the number of a dog behaviorist
if you don't know how to train it without resorting to hitting it. And
if you get a dog behaviorist in (which sounds like it would be a
sensible move) make sure its one that will visit you at your home.

In the statistically unlikely event that you live near South West
London, please e-mail me and I'll put you in touch with a brilliant and
well-respected dog behaviourist who will visit your house and *will*
sort the problem out for you without relieving you of hundreds of
pounds.

In summary: Do you want the dog to behave itself because it respects
your position as the "pack leader", of because it's scared of you?

Dave
(not an expert by any stretch, but a dog lover and owner of several
dogs including "problematic" rescue dogs. None of which I have ever
hit).

</rant>

 

Oh, yeah. Never thought about that before.

I shall use "one of the few" in future.

 

Bloke I knew used to carry a Yorkie in his tankbag....

 

Pip left a note on my windscreen which said:

Irrelevant since the amount of shock given to the animal is in relation
to it's resiliance. A cow or a horse will use higher voltages than we
use for our goat fencing for example. A dog collar would have a much
reduced voltage.

My point is that electric fencing is usually considered humane whereas
dog collars are not even though they are both used to condition the
animal.

No, ITYF the dog would also get a tingle assuming you are responsible
with the settings.

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

Because you began to suggest that I may not respect your opinion since
it seemed to me you did not have much experience with pets.

And I put it to you that if you eat meat, eggs, dairy produce or are
happy to buy woollen, silk or leather items then you are being
hypocritical in your assessment that all animal ownership should be
considered slavery. In addition there is no realistic alternative to
the keeping of domesticated pets. Mass extermination strikes me as a
wholly unnessesary and extremely distasteful solution. In many ways
this sort of solution caters to the human desire for control.

When you wish a natural extermination of domestic pets aren't you
imposing your wishes over the animal's 'rights'? Isn't this the very
thing you critise me for keeping an animal in what I gauge as happiness
and health?

 

Hmm. Not being a fan of helmets generally, I haven't really considered putting
one on the dog if there's no law to force me to. If I can find one that don't
make him look stoopid I may give it some thought.
I'm not sure how much good it'll do though. A friends collie ejected itself
from the back of a cabrio at 70-80mph on the motorway a few years ago. Friend
pulled over, and braced himself for the mess he was about to find. As he
opened the door and got out, he saw the dog....galloping down the hard
shoulder to catch up with his family. A few cuts and bald patches were the
only injuries. Resilient little bastard.

One of the home video shows had a clip from plod of a hounds head protruding
from a topbox. They took a long look, but didn't pull the rider. In a spill
I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty, but any sensible rider would adjust their
riding style to account for valuable cargos. Doesn't really sit too well with
courier work though I suppose.

 

No really? I thought you were just being Porl. Silly me..

As opposed to only eating when they manage to kill something or
scavenge something?

Average lifespan of wild dogs - 6 years. Average lifespan of domestic
dog - 9 years..

Self determination? I don't think dogs are particularly hot on that
concept. Or at least I have never heard mine discussing it over a glass
of whisky and a fine cigar...

Yes? And?

It is innit. And if it wasn't so dogs probably wouldn't have been
domesticated so early.

All of which are actions of sapient & conscious beings. Dogs - though
reasonably intelligent creatures are neither sapient nor conscious.
Their desires are much much more immediate ("play with me!" "Feed me!"
"Take me for walks!")

Phil

 

The mural on the trike at the bottom is superb. Not sure I'd want to be
reminded of my loss every time I went out on't bike/trike mind.

My mate Mouse carries his newly aquired rottie in an old Dnepr outfit. He's
fitted screenwash jets to the front to spray water at it when it gets barky,
and a 3 point harness to keep it in. I'm still considering an outfit, (one
that allows the bike to lean), but sitting in traffic just aint my thang baby.
A trailer is also an option, but I'd prefer to be able to see if the dog is
getting uncomfortable/restless/sick.

 

PeterT left a note on my windscreen which said:

Dogs aren't stupid animals. If their owner isn't fulfilling the role as
alpha the dog will (reluctanly) take up the role. Most social animals
have no particular 'want' to fulfill the alpha role aside from mating
rights to the females. But they will take it up if they feel their
percieved alpha isn't doing the job.

Some dogs will growl at their owners when they try to take food or toys
away from them. They may also resist eviction from the bed/sofa when
you want them to. These are signs that the dog doesn't acknowledge it's
handler as it's pack leader and is beginning to take ownership of the
territory. These sort of actions are the dog becoming the alpha of the
family. I'm afraid you are incorrect when you suggest that domestic
dogs don't have a chance to become alpha.

 

<Shrug>

I find the whole 'going out and getting drunk' thing ridiculous and
stupid and contary to both civilised manners and intelligence. It
brings out the worst in humans or at the very least shines a glaring
spotlight on their flaws as a useful species, to wit, their inability
to look after each other and their desire for mindlessness.

But hey - if destroying your irreplaceable braincells is what floats
your boat don't let me stop you..

Phil

 

It's been observed that human prisoners who spend much of their life
incarcerated live longer than average too. Nelson Mandela being the
most recent/high profile example.