FOAK: Dog training and 'shock' collars

Champ wrote

At least make the effort to hide the hook will you. Just because a
whole shoal committed suicide yesterday doesn't mean it will do it again
today.

 

I suspect the whole concept of "higher life forms" has passed you by..

And there have been examples of kids found and adopted by wolves or
other pack animals. It's not a particularly good way of raising
children mind..


Phil

 

Hmm.. Konrad Lorentz was firmly of the opinion that they were derived
from both wolves and jackals. The fact that they can interbreed
successfully with both is a good indication..

http://www.wolfweb.com.au/acd/domesticdog.htm

http://www.vigyanprasar.com/wos/dogs.htm

Phil

 

That would be down Shep syndrome would it?

Rowdy

 

Muck says...

I don't know, you can have a surprising amount of fun with a collar and
lead...

 

Yes, but it's better is somebody else joins in.

 

We can, you can't, you don't qualify.

 

So now we get to the nub of it - we're a "Higher life" form, so we can
do what we like, yes?

 

You're the one using the "nature" argument. It's only *natural* if
the alpha is another dog.

 

Logical fallacy - the dog doesn't care what the alpha is.. For all I
know my dogs think of me (to the extent dogs think anyway) as a big,
two-legged dog..

Phil.

 

How do you know?

Ah. So you *don't* know.

 

Um - it unlikely. For one thing dogs are pretty easy to read as to
their mental state (they have quite specific body language that can be
read very easily). Which is (I guess) a long way of saying that I do
have a good idea of what he is thinking (and as I've said before mostly
its "feed me", "play with me" or "can I sit on your lap").

And when I get home he displays all the same mannerisms that 'wild'
canids do (wolves & jackals) when he greets me at the door. The sort of
displays that pack members display when one of the alphas returns from
hunting/foraging/beating the boundaries. The same behaviour that the
other dogs greet him with if he has been away from the house without
them..

Hence my assertion that he sees me as the alpha - despite the fact that
I'm not 4 legged, don't have fur and don't smell like a dog.[1]

Phil

[1] At least I hope not..

 

Because I have read books by animal psycologists about dogs - and
because I have lived with dogs nearly all my life.

I don't know whether they think of me as a dog - yes. But I *know* they
think of me as the pack alpha. Therefore I make a logical deduction
that they don't actually care whether the pack alpha is the same
species as them.

Phil

 

Muck left a note on my windscreen which said:

The man made crossbreeding is to obtain certain qualities specifically
for working. Pure, cetificated, dogs wouldn't be cross bred since the
purposes of pedigree breeding is to obtain the 'perfect' dog for the
breed.

 

Muck left a note on my windscreen which said:

I don't think keeping a dog on a lead is cruel. Most owners would be
happy to keep their dog off lead since it's less hassle for them. Then
again most dog owners won't want their dog running across the nearest A
road.

 

It's not the lead, it's the keeping of the aminal, bit it caged, boxed,
leashed, tied or whatever.

 

The dog should be trained to walk at heel, on or off the lead. The lead is
/not/ for dragging the dog around.

Unless, of course, it's one of those spring-loaded lock-reel efforts, which
train the dog to pull against the lead.

 

Why not just cut its legs off and push it araaand in a wheelbarra?

 

You wouldn't be able to trip people up on the other side of the road.

 

You could lob the barra at them.