FOAK: Dog training and 'shock' collars

"I can see that he loves me in his eyes"

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

It struck me as that may of come across a bit elitist or something.
That wasn't my intention but I have the feeling I'm not getting point
across as effectively as a might.

OK, because I enjoy the experience. Note that I don't think this makes
me somehow anti-social towards humans or that I favour animal
companionship over human companionship. I consider myself quite an all-
rounded (unfortunatly I would have to conceed physically) individual.

 

And still you're missing MY point by a country mile. WHY do you enjoy it?
Break it down.

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

Because she provides me with enjoyment, companionship, satisfaction for
caring and providing for another being etc.

Plus she makes a convienient excuse for a lazy bastard like me to
actually go outside from time to time.

I could break it down further and say I'm simply genetically
dispositioned to it but I have a feeling it's this middle ground you're
finding appetising.

And party?

 

Which you don't get from/for your partner or children? If you don't then why
not? If you do then how is it different to experience those qualities
from/for an animal?

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

But I do recieve those things from my family in addition to my dog. If
SWMBO and I decided to have another child for example it wouldn't mean
we don't recieve enjoyment from the current members of the family.

 

I asked 3 questions.

 

I've got to say I'm entirely with Stoneskin on this. Some things
(actually, lots of things) people just do because it feels nice[1], no
other reason. Why I come into the house and the dog goes deliriously mad
with happiness at the very sight of me, I *know* it's following a
pattern of genetically inherited rules to try to ensure it's own
survival. It still feels really nice though.

If you didn't have a dictionary where your soul should be, maybe you'd
understand that a little more.

[1] Riding a 1000cc sports bike on the road when a 600 will get you
where you want to go in roughly the same time, more cheaply, for
example.

Dave.

 

Mmm. " People just do because it feels nice[1], no other reason" is
basically rubbish. Just because you don't understand the catalysts, can't be
arsed to figure them out, refuse to accept that they may exist, doesn't mean
they're not there. This isn't just my opinion (I'm assuming you've at least
heard of psychology), and it's basically common sense if you spend at about
2 seconds thinking about it. Normally people don't confront the working
mechanism of their brains through laziness or fear. I'll leave you to figure
out which camp you fall in.

And your last comment is filed in the drawer that contains "I'm just a free
spirit", "You think too much" and "I'm crazy, me".

 

It does. Until the occasion when you go back into the house, (having
been outside for all of four minutes, patting your pockets) to pick up
your PDA/phone/wallet/keys to the girlfriend's house - and the fucking
dogs go fucking berserk, acting for all the world as if you'd been
gone for five weeks on a walking tour of the Himalayas.

So you fight them off, pull them off the ceiling/walls/;light
fittings, give them a fuss and calm them down, usher them back to
their day beds, collect your forgotten item - and look back to see big
brown eyes mournfully watching you walk away. And notice your jacket
in the background, where you'd put it when you were getting hot trying
to get a dog to sit, half a lifetime and ten minutes before.

You're now running seriously late, you can't go without your jacket as
your wallet is in the inside pocket. You turn to retrace the four
steps to the door ... and the patter of deliriously joyful claws comes
through the window ...

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

So you did. I'm not sure it is all that different, albeit on a less
intellectual and greater dependance scale.

If I use sport as an example - if I want a more demanding and
competitive game I may take SWMBO to play tennis. If I just wanted a
knock about then I could take my daughter. If I want to just wander
around throwing a ball for a bit I'd take the dog.

The social experience is similar in all three cases except for the level
of intellectual return.

 

You are over analysing. The logical extrapolation of what you're saying
is that people must analyse and understand the reasons for everything
they do and only do the things that make logical sense, rather than just
doing stuff that feels nice.

I have a dog because it feels nice. There's no logical need for me to
have one.

I have protected sex because it feels nice. There's no logical need for
me to do it.

I want to ride a powerful motorcycle because (I'm hoping) it will feel
nice. There is no logical reason for me to do it.

I go to the pub and talk absolute bollocks with my mates because it
feels nice. There is no logical reason for me to do it.

The list could go on. Basically, you can live your live an automaton,
measure the cost/benefit of every activity you do and only do the things
that evaluate to having a logical, measurable, and understandable
positive benefit to you. That's not how most people live, but if it
works for you that's fine. Recognise that it puts you in a tiny minority
though.

That is because you have a dictionary (and possibly a filing cabinet)
where your soul should be. Cause and effect at work!

Dave.

 

You KEEP referring to the end result of needs and requirements that you
can't or won't investigate or specify. For instance what are the qualities
of a dog that make it the prime choice for chucking a ball around and not
your daughter? Your answer COULD be (*****an an example*****) It's because
the dog is so easy to please, doesn't ask questions or beg for ice cream or
be taken to the toilet and therefore it makes you feel like a
father/benefactor without the responsibility. Additionally it goes to sleep
when it's tired, doesn't teeth, feeds itself from a bowl and pisses and
shits when taken for a walk, and doesn't interrupt your private chain of
thought; in effect being an almost perfect child. This in turn might reveal
the frustrations you may still feel regarding your offspring and the desires
to be free/single when you married that you don't even realise are still
there apart from when they've all gone to bed and you knock one out to some
porn site you stumbled across 3 months ago but haven't had th echance to
check out properly.

In this example I could then refer you back to the first posts I made when I
mentioned motives for pet ownership and how it was selfish to enslave an
animal for our own unspoken reasons.

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

Then again, if we filter it down as much as we possibly can we get to
the conclusion that it's all to do with chemical reactions and functions
of the brain due to pure genetics.

 

Er, no I'm not. I'm saying that "people must analyse and understand the
reasons for everything they do" when it's pertinent to their fucking
argument. Why on earth would you waste time talking to someone who DIDN'T do
that? You'd be talking to a piece of wood with no capacity for objective
thought whatsoever.

LOL, that should be framed and hung on a wall. By NOT thinking about your
life you're an automaton, subject to every impulse and piece of programming
you've ever received with no understanding of your real motives or knowledge
of why you're doing what you're doing. I won't go on because there's no
chance you'll understand that bit. But as for "minorities"...in fact, I
don't think I even need to address that one. I'll just leave it hanging.

 

Righty- ho. So we'll stick with "I like dogs because I do". Bwilliant.

 

Okay. Sorry that I'm too stupid to understand you. I guess it must be
pretty tough being you.

Dave.

 

Only when I have to point out the blindingly obvious. Thought for the day:
Who said you were stupid?

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

Aside from the belif that either you're certainly a couple of sandwiches
short of a picnic or I am being incredibly thick I honestly have no idea
what you are on about or what point you are trying to make.

Your question was, "If you do [recieve social enjoyment from family]
then how is it different to experience those qualities from/for an
animal?"

My answer is that I do not belive it is fundamentally different. I have
no idea how you lept from that into your tirade above.

I know you've refuted it but I'll ask again just in case - are you
*sure* you're not trolling?

Points off for not mentioning my mother.