FOAK: Dog training and 'shock' collars

Depends whether the other hobbies also include manipulating the lives of
animals.

I think I've expressed that more than clearly enough.

 

Just a warning shot across your bows, SB. This is the thin end of the
wedge, isn't it. Next thing we know, you'll be fawning about having
your tummy rubbed in public. Again.

 

porl left a note on my windscreen which said:

So it is about animal welfare then?

Exhibit B - One set of snugly fitting motorcycling leathers.

Please face the fact that when it comes to your food or your protection
against sliding down the road you are more than happy to support the
manipulation of animal life.

 

My god, it's like being on a roundabout. Next time I'll type this next bit
in caps: It's the fact that humans enslave animals for their own comfort
that bothers me. I don't give a **** about the animals, it's the motive for
us doing it. I eat meat, eggs etc because it provides sustenance and wear
leather because it protects my skin even at the expense of the life of the
animal. I would prefer, given a choice, that animals weren't battery farmed
but I don't care that much because at least we're honest about it going on.
My problem is with the breeding and enslaving of domestic animals because of
our pathetic low self-esteem. "They're better than people", "I get
unconditional love", etc . It's US that's the issue here for me. **** the
animals.

 

Are you terminally thick? He's already said that about a dozen times.
It's not about animals, it's about people.

 

It's the leg humping I object to.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Both my dog and cat were dumped and I took them in out of sheer
altruism. How's that?

Mind you, both of them were persistant bastards; despite being shooed
away on numerous occasions they each kept coming back until I relented.
Now I'm glad I did - they provide me with literally minutes of
entertainment as the cat destroys small creatures around it and scraps
with neighbouring moggies while the pooch amuses himself by putting the
annoying yappy little shit next door in its place.

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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

 

Nope. Like I say, I know nothing about farming or livestock. I don't
have the slightest clue as to where or why electric fences are used, I
don't know what the alternatives are, or even if there are any so I'm
not going to be drawn into a debate about whether it's right or wrong
'cos I don't know enough about it to form an opinion one way or the
other.

No, that might be what it represents to *you*. To the dog, it represents
pain which is why it's effective.

To paraphrase what I said before; it works but it sucks. You can also
use various forms of physical violence (or "causing momentary
discomfort" or however you want to dress it up) to get *people* to do
what you want. It can be very effective, especially against people who
are smaller or weaker than you, or who lack the confidence or will to
retaliate, but I don't think it's the right way to conduct yourself.

Try a quick google for "hit dog nose". Once you've discounted the
irrelevant hits, come back and tell everyone how many training
organisations say "Don't hit your dog on the nose" and how many say it's
okay.

There's absolutely no need for it at all. Simple as that.

Dave.

 

Lamb.

Shepherds are not renowned for the beef-rearing skills.

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It's a humane thing to do. Stoneskin won't understand how I can say that but
that's neither here or there.

 

Well I can't speak for the font[1], but IMHO it's entirely unnecessary
and inhumane to electrocute your dog in the hope that it will induce in
the dumb creature some kind of realisation that its ways are misguided.

Barbara Woodhouse never used an electric collar and she seemed to
manage. In fact I'm reminded of the multitude of TV programmes I've
seen which feature AN Other family consulting an expert on the reasons
for their problem-child's bad behaviour. In every case I can remember
the expert has concluded that the kid's just a normal kid and it's the
parents that are sending them mental.

Could I humbly suggest you reassess your training methods?

[1] at the last AGM the bastards rejected my motion to be appointed
sole spokesman.

 

Terry Waite looks good, too.

 

Before we crown you our resident animal behaviour expert, as your post
seems to imply, should we not remember that you started this thread
with a post about your animal's behaviour problems?

Just wondering like.

 

Red Buttons was a bloody awful actor.

 

Red Rum was a bloody good bet

 

Red Adair was a bloody good firefighter

 

Red Sonya was a bloody awful film.

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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Cammo"

Otoh, a vomiting dog is just what you need for tailgaters.

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