I think that the Concept is a helmet designed for tourers with big screens and not full windblast in your face machines. On the Pan, if I have the front down, which is rare below 70mph then I will have the visor in the outward draughty position as I like some airflow on my face. On other bikes without the protection that the Pan gives, I have found that I need the front and the visor down and the visor clipped in or the windflow tries to rip my head off. -- ColonelTupperware spouting bollocks on Usenet since 1997 Usenet FAQ at http://www.its.caltech.edu/its/services/internetapps/news/news2.shtml UPCE FAQ at http://upce.org.uk/ UKRM FAQ at http://www.ukrm.net/faq/
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Check if the helmet has been certified for use with the front up. If it hasn't, its an offence. My Shoei hasn't been certified with the front up, only closed. Is the BMW helmet dual certified?
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I was at a meeting last week, when the subject of flip-front helmets was discussed. An officer from the Met's traffic division commented that they had instigated a prosecution against a motorcyclist for riding with the front of his flip-front helmet in the raised position, but that the case was dismissed because as long as he had the strap fastened, he was wearing the helmet in accordance with the requirements of the law. I'll be meeting the same Met officer this Friday, so I'll recheck the story with him and report back.
Paul Varnsverry says... Surely the rider should be exempt from prosecution. AFAIAW there is only one flip-front helmet on sale in Britain that has been tested as a proper full face helmet. Therefore, by rights any other flip-front can be worn as an open face i.e. with the chinbar in the raised position.
Paul Varnsverry wrote Gonna be difficult for the janitors as they do it often enough themselves, I reckon. Poisonally I keep mine down when moving and up when off the bike. And for those who would comment that they like the refreshing airflow when riding slow I have nothing but disdain.
Lozzo wrote Where is JP when you need him eh? Are you sure? You ain't confusing road with track use are you?
steve auvache says... No, I'm not confusing anything. I'm thinking logically. If the helmet is tested as an open face, then by rights anyone should be able to wear it as an open face, i.e with the chinbar raised. If it is tested as a full face, then the chinbar should be down when in use. Stands to reason, dunnit?
Lozzo wrote Right. I'll put me deciphering logical spic think chip in then. This should be fun. Yeah, but.. It is altogether possible that it is me that is confused. In fact it is something of a certainty. A forgone conclusion that we can take as read if you like. But you seem to be suggesting that there are what I think of as full face helmets on the market that have not been tested as such. In fact you are suggesting, or so it seems to me, that there is only one that has been tested as a full face helmet and this just doesn't seem right. It has a wrongness to it. Define testing.
steve auvache says... They are *not* full face helmets, they are flip-front helmets. Big difference. A full face helmet has a fixed and non-removeable chinbar as a part of the shell's structure. Unfortunately, in this instance you think wrong. I qualified my statement with "AFAIAW" (OK, an extra W in there instead of an A). I am going by what I have been told recently by someone who deals with the BSI and the agency that deals with safety testing for helmets in the UK. You're right, it does. The testing done to achieve ECE 22-05, which is the standard that all helmets must achieve to be legally worn in UK. It applies to full face, open face and flip-front helmets.
Lozzo wrote I am with it. Sort of implies that flip front doesn't provide the same protection dunnit? Which, while it is undoubtedly true, is not comforting and I quite like the nice snug comfort of a wholly wrapped around head while riding.
Lozzo wrote Front lifters are proper helmets. I was toying with the idea of contacts. I am certainly going to try the 30 day free offer as soon as I can afford new bins.
