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Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Kitchen Man, Mar 10, 2005.

  1. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    Almost.

    I'm going to post an interesting dilemma for the techies before I
    <grumble> go take the truck to work. The Tempter is running ok, but
    there's a problem. There's a port for engine fumes at the top of the
    valve cover, and it is spitting gas like crazy when the bike is running.
    Mixture too high is what I'm hoping, but I wonder if it could be
    something more insidious. Luckily I spotted the problem within a tenth
    of a mile from home; I suppose I should have noticed the problem
    yesterday, but there was a bit of gas spilled about because of cleaning
    the carb. Dang. If it ain't one thing, it's another.
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 10, 2005
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  2. Is the oil level in the sight glass on the clutch cover too high?
    You may have a mixture of gasoline and oil in your crankcase and that
    is BAD NEWS...

    Maybe one of the carb floats is stuck. Maybe the vacuum-operated
    petcock leaks, or you left the petcock in PRIME over night...

    If you remove the oil filler plug from the side of the engine and sniff
    at that hole and smell gasoline, don't ride the bike until you change
    the oil...

    You could possibly have a crankcase explosion if you run the engine
    with gasoline in the oil. The fumes can ignite, and the power of the
    explosion can at least blow those rubber plugs on the ends of the
    camshafts out of place...

    I know a guy who had that happen on his VTR-1000 when he started the
    engine after gassing up the bike at a service station...
     
    krusty kritter, Mar 11, 2005
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  3. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    It was dripping on the ground, through the airbox connection. I found
    out later today that the air filter was soaked through, it's toast. I'm
    heading out now to check some of the stuff krusty kritter mentioned.
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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  4. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    I took the filler plug off. "Sniff" is not the word for it, I about
    passed out from the fumes. I immediately drained the crankcase - it was
    at least 2/3 gasoline. All I can figure is I had a float stick and it
    leaked into the case over the course of the winter. A new petcock is
    imperative, the one on the bike is, as you say, vacuum, and does not
    have an "off" position. This could be the result of a combination of
    leaky petcock and stuck float. ****, I coulda blowed myself up, real
    good. God must be on my side, even tho' I pick on RGD sometimes. ;-)
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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  5. Kitchen Man

    Andrew Guest

    Dayummm...
    you almost had an external single combustion engine.
     
    Andrew, Mar 11, 2005
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  6. of the winter. A new petcock is imperative, the one on the
    This could be the result of a combination of leaky petcock and
    Back in the mid-1970's, I knew a hippy-type who owned an old van
    similar to the ones UPS drivers use. It was all painted up with Marvel
    Comics figures, like Captain America, etc., with stars and stripes...

    One morning I saw the hippy dude laying underneath his Captain America
    van and asked what he was doing. His oil pan was laying beside the van,
    it was all bent and mangled. He told me that the carburetor float valve
    had stuck and filled up the crankcase with gasoline and when he tried
    to start it, the explosion blew the oil pan off the bottom of the
    engine, shearing all the bolts. He was struggling to remove the broken
    off bolts from the engine block...
     
    krusty kritter, Mar 11, 2005
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  7. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    An excellent argument for fuel injection.
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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  8. Maybe. But Murphy had a LAW, you see...

    My 1987 T-Bird had EFI. An in-tank electric fuel pump pressurized the
    fuel rail, returning excess pressure to the tank. I didn't understand
    what the humming noise was, coming from the 'Bird when I would park it
    and walk away. I thought it was an electric fan that would
    automatically shut off when some time or temperature contact opened...

    None of the above. The fuel pump was running all the time, due to a
    stuck relay contact. It would drain the expen$ive high cranking amp
    battery. I had to replace two $150 batteries. Then , one day I took the
    car to a mechanic to have the fuel filter replaced. He pulled the fuel
    filter off, without doing what any safety-minded mechanic would do,
    i.e., disconnect the battery cable...

    He got squirted in the face with gasoline and it just kept coming...

    If one of my fuel injectors had leaked, the intake manifold would have
    filled up with gasoline...

    I replaced the fuel pump relay. But the second relay went bad, too...

    Then I had to buy yet another battery. And, after a few years of
    running continuously, the $300 fuel pump finally gave up the ghost...

    The total charges for a new fuel pump, relay, and labor came to $700...

    If I had my druthers, I'druther have a gravity-fed carburetor system...
     
    krusty kritter, Mar 11, 2005
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  9. "krusty kritter"

    That's what you get for buying one of those shitty
    "Fords"[1] I dislike driving cages but even I know
    better than to buy one of those...

    [1]I have hated fords for over 25 years and have
    yet to meet one I'd own longer than it'd take to
    sell to a chump.

    --
    Keith Schiffner
    History does not record anywhere at any time a
    religion that has any rational basis. Religion is
    a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up
    to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff,
    most people do have a religion and spend time and
    money on it and seem to derive considerable
    pleasure from fiddling with it.
    Robert Heinlein
     
    Keith Schiffner, Mar 11, 2005
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  10. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    Ah yes. I have owned two T-Birds, one an 83 with a 302 and throttle
    body fuel injection. I also had an '89 with the V6. The '89 had the
    same fuel pump, and soon after I bought it some passengers pointed out
    that the buzzing coming from my rear quarter panel was the sound of a
    fuel pump going bad. I suppose if I hadn't caught it then, it might
    have entered that same failure mode. The volatility of modern life!
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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  11. Kitchen Man

    Boat Guest

    I was surprised, but not too very much, to see the '04 Cobra listed as the
    most reliable US made automobile last year. Dissing Ford quality hasn't been
    fashionable for over 10 years. Chump.
     
    Boat, Mar 11, 2005
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  12. Actually if you had paid anything resembling
    attention...I haven't liked them for over 25
    years. Anyway who would want a POS mustang. Real,
    pretty no get up and go without doubling the value
    in parts.
    But then again I wont bring up the most recalled
    car ever...Focus, Made by Ford....sold 'em
    wouldn't have one if you gave me a works SVT
    version.
     
    Keith Schiffner, Mar 11, 2005
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  13. Kitchen Man

    Boat Guest

    Who gives a shit what you like? The 2004 Ford Mustang Cobra was listed as
    the most reliable US made automobile that year. Period. It has nothing to do
    with "like" or "dislike". It is in direct counterpoint to your
    characterization of "shitty Fords", and your clumsy attempt to connect brand
    ownership with chumps. Chump.
     
    Boat, Mar 11, 2005
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  14. "Boat"

    SNIP typical ford lover whine.

    I've YET to have good experiences with owning
    Ford's EVER. So from my data point they are not
    worth anything...okay I might trade a set of lucas
    electrics for a Mustang II. But only so I could
    rip the front off for a trike. I wont mention what
    a recall nightmare the Focus was and is...and they
    STILL make the most flammable car money can buy.

    --
    Keith Schiffner
    History does not record anywhere at any time a
    religion that has any rational basis. Religion is
    a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up
    to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff,
    most people do have a religion and spend time and
    money on it and seem to derive considerable
    pleasure from fiddling with it.
    Robert Heinlein
     
    Keith Schiffner, Mar 11, 2005
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  15. I think that, some day, you'll have to explain to me how - when you
    trip over your dick and make a fool out of yourself arguing with me -
    it is *you* picking on *me*. I find that technique kinda interesting.
    ;)

    And, if you soon need to rebuild your engine, you know who to ask for
    advice, right?

    --
    Instead of swerving, I should have been reloading
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    Road Glidin' Don, Mar 11, 2005
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  16. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    Well, it's like this. One of us is all pissed off.
    I wouldn't have any problem if you cared to offer me some advice about
    my bike. You've been real good about that in the past, and have helped
    me enormously. If you cared not to share 'cause we're having a little
    spat, that would be ok too.
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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  17. Who did the ranking? I believe you, but I'd like to see what criteria
    they used, how big their sample was, and where the Cobra ranked when
    foreign cars were included.
     
    Scott Gardner, Mar 11, 2005
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  18. Kitchen Man

    Paul Cassel Guest

    the only org which would so rate is the Cobra Club of the US. What a
    silly post.
     
    Paul Cassel, Mar 11, 2005
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  19. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    I figured it out. He means 2004 Cobra golf clubs. Google: 2004 Cobra
    "most reliable" and it will pop right up. :p
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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  20. Kitchen Man

    Kitchen Man Guest

    OK, not kidding this time, it was apparently Consumer Reports:

    http://www.gtamc.com/forums/article.php?a=64
     
    Kitchen Man, Mar 11, 2005
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