First mini bike for youngsters?

Whoosh or bastard! Which ever is applicable.

 

A bolt on the rear brake I didn't loctite because I didn't think it would go
anywhere.

 

"It's all Hammo's fault!"

 

its not just your local track, clubs all over the country are banning
chinese bikes from junior competition, and rightly so.not because they
dont want new members but because they feel that they are dangerous.
ADB magazine wont test them because they dont consider them a "real
bike".nothing holier than thou about it,at the end of the day all they
are is an inferior copy of a real bike.........willow

 

..au:

That's called "sinceyou". "Sinceyou did that full rebuild on
my bike (change the plugs and re-set the advance), the brakes
have worn out and the clutch is slipping... Your fault. Fix it.
I'm an ACA/TT viewer, I know my rights."

It's not responsibility per-se. You either choose to fix 'em,
or you don't. If they really are crap, then the decision not
to get involved is probably a wise one.


It's been my extensive experience, however, that small business
owners tend to have some pretty 'interesting' ideas about
business, economics, globalisation and such. I dealt with one
bloke recently who was utterly convinced that the reason his
small business isn't doing as well as it used to is that his
competitors are importing "lower quality" (his emphasis) goods
and selling them cheaper than he can. I took the "lower quality"
bit to be a rationalisation that helps him to believe that he's
doing it right. It's not my place to point out all the other
glaring errors that are being made in that particular business,
but.... *sigh*...

(The whole 'interesting ideas' phenomenen (sp?) seems to be
a characteristic of my generation. Folks aged from about
35 to 45 seem to be best at the whole rationalising-my-errors-
away thing. Old buggers are much wiser, young c'nuts are
more inclined to think outside the square. Just an observation,
no idea if it's supportable.)


On the other hand, I've seen a situation where a customer
took a known-fucked bit of machinery to a workshop. The workshop
pulled it down, realised just how badly fucked it was, and
refused to continue with the repair. Cuntstomer insisted,
happily signed all sorts of waivers, then took it to court when
the machine shit itself as promised. Since you can't sign your
'consumer rights away, the magistrate erred on the side of
"sinceyou", and found in favour of the cuntstomer. It's hard
to decide what the "right" outcome really is, but I think it
was probably a case of damned if you do/don't for the business
owner in that instance.


There's two sides to the coin methinks.


GB

 

wrote in @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

One wonders how they're inferior exactly.


GB

 

inferior materials used and inferior build quality, its a
fact.......willow

 

They're a threat to history repeating, repeating, GB!

Don't they have scrutineers anymore? Aren't people allowed to modify race
bikes anymore? What's the fuckin' problem?

 

Awww, awright, the old ones were pretty agricultural but these days half
the parts are made in Japan anyway. The new water-cooled ones are a
pretty good imitation of a Yamaha though ...

-----sharks (rides a pale imitation of a Chang-Jiang anyway)

 

Nah, everyone knows shafties can't ...

-----sharks (argh!)

 

In the case of most chinese bikes that is actually true, it doesn't in
and of itself make them dangerous though.

It will make them higher maintenance, probably less reliable if the
maintenance isn't kept up to them but it doesn't make them less safe
unless the people responsible for maintaining them don't actually _do_
the maintenance.

I still believe that there is a strong element of snobbery around this
whole issue.


G-S

 

hmmmmm. I suggest you go and look at the WELDS on one othose bikes. All the
maintenance in the world (unless you are a welder maybe) wont stop those
slag-metal sprack fests from letting go as your child comes off a jump.

My son cleared the 22metre double at his club on his 12th birthday (CR80),
If you want your kids to do jumps like that on a chinese bike than thats up
to you, I'm a strong believer in natural selection anyway. As a responsible
Dad I can tell you there is NO WAY I'm going to put my sons at risk on
inferior machinery so I can save a few bucks.

 

Pretty sure my Bayerische Mist Wagen would bend if I tried that, too ...

-----sharks

 

The club already cleared off all the jap bike owners who didn't want to
go _fast_ ?

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Can't see a problem with that, the shops are entitled to refuse to
service any bike they wish.

JL

 

Actually yes, they have activly been discouraging older, slower less
competitive jap bikes for years now (since I was a teenager in fact).


G-S

 

I own a bus company with 3 full time workshop staff who I supervise, I
am a decent welder (ok not professional quality but good enough).

The welds on Jacobs bike are _fine_. The metal is somewhat low quality
but the actual welds are fine.

I'm totally prepared to believe that different chinese factories (or the
same factory on different days) might produce different quality welding
however.

I wouldn't let Jacob do that on a chinese bike either, but you are
missing the point of the bike if you are comparing it to a CR80 motor
crosser. The chinese bikes should be compared to an XR70 or XR100
instead, and to be honest would you want your child jumping 22 metre
doubles (let alone triples) on an XR70? No... I didn't think so

Yah, well the main reason our family still owns and runs at a profit a
business turning over several million $ a year is that we don't _waste_
our money, whether that means buying a Brazillian built Mercedes bus
instead of a US built one or it means buying a chinese built trail bike
instead of a japanese built trail bike.

I'll say it again (perhaps you won't be so confused next time) "Trail
bikes are not motorcross bikes".


G-S

 

the new Italy ?

nah , you do that yourself

 

i've sorta lost track of the argument, but did you just say Brazillian?
mmmmmmmm

 

You weren't alone...


G-S