final k75s suspension questions

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by charliepizarro, Sep 2, 2004.

  1. thanks again for all the previous help, patience, and indulgence as i get
    this bike into shape for the long haul. with a little luck, this'll be
    my last plea for help and i won't have to bother anyone further with
    remedial mechanical issues.

    to bring you up to date, i wanted to change leaky fork seals, so:

    i drained the forks, took the fender, fork brace, brake calipers, and
    wheel off. then i unbolted the fork sliders at the bottom, and they slid
    right off with the damper rod sticking out about ten inches from the
    bottom of the fork tube.

    (question #1: should it be sticking that far out? some of the stuff
    i've read makes me wonder about that.)

    to my surprise, i had none of the parts that the clymer's manual said i
    should have inside the slider. no bushings, no washers. the only things
    in the slider were the seal at the top and a ~1-inch tall spacer at the
    bottom. when i compared the new seals with the old, i noticed a big
    difference and called the parts guy. he said he'd given me the seals for
    the bmw made forks, and that unfortunately my forks are actually showa
    forks. i thought this might account for the difference between the
    clymer guide fork description and the real life situation i have before
    me.

    i then looked for info on the showa forks and found Tom Coradeschi's
    showa fork rebuild page on the ibmwr site
    (http://www.ibmwr.org/ktech/showa-fork-rebuild.shtml .) not having
    taking apart the upper end of the forks, i don't have the firmest grasp
    of all the info in his explanation. i do, however, understand that
    according to his showa fork diagram (at http://www.ibmwr.org/ktech/showa-
    fork-rebuild.gif ) i should still have some washers and bushings in the
    sliders. as i mentioned, i don't have any such parts in the sliders.

    question #2: i can't tell from the diagram whether the washer and
    bushing should fit in the fat part of the opening at the top of the
    slider. it doesn't appear that there is room for much more than the oil
    seal and the circlip. so should the washer and bushing sit inside the
    slider? that doesn't seem quite right either.

    question #3: i can't seem to find an authoritative statement on the
    proper assembly of the showa forks. what is the danger of forgoing the
    washer and bushing, as my bike's previous technician evidently did?
    would this contribute to the leaky seals and/or the soft ride? would it
    cause handling problems?

    question #4: once i decide how to proceed with respect to the innards,
    i'm planning on putting everything back together in the order i took it
    off. since i haven't moved the fork tubes, this should keep the front
    end properly aligned, right?

    question #5: somewhat unrelated: i figured i might as well do an oil
    change while i'm doing all this. i noticed a couple oily spots on the
    bottom of the oil pan, so i'm going to reseal that too. but with what?
    i've got a silicone sealant for motorcycles, but i don't know if it'll
    handle the heat that an oil pan gets. it doesn't have a temperature
    rating, but it's called permatex motoseal 1 ("ultimate gasket maker -
    gray.) what would a smart person use?

    i welcome and thank you for answers to any of these questions. much
    appreciated!
     
    charliepizarro, Sep 2, 2004
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  2. charliepizarro

    Mark Olson Guest

    "...I had none of the parts that the Clymer's manual said..."
    "...the difference between the Clymer ... description and ... real life"
    The common thread to all of your questions up to this point is, you
    don't have the correct and complete information you need. These
    questions (and many more to come) will be definitively answered when
    you buy the genuine BMW service manual.
    Nothing. If the sump is like any other bike sump I've seen, it will
    use an O-ring between the sump and the engine cases, and doesn't need
    any sort of sealant. Adding sealant will only screw things up, find
    out what the real problem is and don't make things worse. I could be
    wrong about the O-ring, but I'd be very surprised if I was. If the
    leak is from a drain plug, renew the soft crush washer and torque it
    to the correct value.
     
    Mark Olson, Sep 2, 2004
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  3. charliepizarro

    Hank Barta Guest

    Unfortunately he does not know what he is doing. Unless you did
    not tell him that you had an 'S' (and he should have asked anyway)
    there is no excuse for providing the wrong parts.
    Well... You've found the best online source for information for your
    bike. You should check recent archives and perhaps subscribe because
    there is some discussion right now about K75 fork rebuild. (Idon;t
    recall if it was Showa or BMW forks, though.) Ask your questions there
    and you will get as close to authoritative answers as you will find
    this side of the factory. In addition to some highly knowledgeable
    amateurs, there are also professionals who participate. They do tend
    to run a bit low on political content though. ;)
    There is a weep hole between the water pump and oil pan. It is
    a frequent source of leaks. (Check the IBMWR tech pages for water
    pump rebuild.) Best recommendation I've heard is to clean the engine
    well enough to remove existing oil, ride a few miles and dust with
    talc to identify the source.

    Silicone seal is used on the valve cover so I don't know why it
    would not work on the oil pan.
     
    Hank Barta, Sep 2, 2004
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