Factory specials in stock class racing

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Will Hartung, Oct 7, 2005.

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    Will Hartung Guest

    As most know, Yamaha announced the R1 LE with a bunch of trick bits and they
    almost immediately sold out. Some to collectors, most to racers. Notably to,
    I imagine, the Yamaha Factory Team as well as probably Graves. I reckon
    these guys may well have got first pick.

    Now, I don't know what the rules state for what modifications can be done to
    a SuperStock bike, beyond I guess suspension and exhaust. More importantly,
    I don't know what if any changes to the LE would not have been allowed if
    you took a stock R1 and converted it into a an LE. I don't know if it would
    be a legal SuperStock bike.

    LE could simply be a nice package deal of parts and wheels.

    But this harkens back to the day when Honda "sold" the RC45 in the most
    limited numbers to meet homulgation, and then proceeded to campaign with it
    for several years in Superbike.

    So, basically, are the SSport and SStock classes important enough to the
    factories that they're willing to basically sell race kitted "production"
    street bikes in "limited" numbers to get an edge on competitors who may not
    be selling such things? Obviously there are EPA, reliability, and other
    general limitations on how racy a production bike can be, but most of those
    are vetted in the conversion process as they toss the stock exhaust and rip
    on the turns signals and lights.

    What's to stop a factory from selling a $30K "stock" "special edition" race
    bike with motor work and using it to unbalance the race series, particularly
    when (for a very small run of, say, 50) 20% of the units are sold directly
    to high end race teams.

    It's clear to me that there is a different mind set and process between
    Stock class racing and the Super Bike class racing, which is more of an
    engineering and development series versus a pure riding series like the
    Stock classes are. But the Stock classes are pretty darn popular, more so in
    the past few years (particularly after they switched to the 1000's and
    switched from the, effectively, Suzuki Cup). So, I'm just curious if y'all
    think that factories may start doing more race focused specials to get an
    extra edge in stock classes.

    Regards,

    Will Hartung
     
    Will Hartung, Oct 7, 2005
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    Bruce Guest

    I thinkn he ment this years laguna race where they went all retro in
    the paint scheme across all their bikes. I don't believe the original
    paint scheme was special to weest coast - it was the team colors.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce, Oct 9, 2005
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Note here that Ducati have played this game for 15 years now. Every year
    there's been a 9xxR or a "xxxx" replica that formed the basis for the
    factory racers and introduced improvements outside the normal production
    cycle that the racing team needed. The Replica idea can back fire as
    they produced a run of Bostrom Reps which didn't sell.

    I've argued before that the Japanese could do the same thing despite the
    larger numbers they typically have to produce for homologation. And you
    can argue that the OW31, RC30, ZX7RR, YZR7, RC45, SP2 all followed this
    path. Of course it does help if the factory paint scheme stays stable
    for a few years. A Rossi replica Honda 'blade for 2004 might have been a
    mistake...

    If you look at the raw components there's no reason why a race replica
    should be that much more expensive. Perhaps double at say $15k to $20k.
    I suspect most of the extra cost is really from short run production and
    EPA testing. These days, short run production shouldn't be a problem
    with today's flexible production lines and JIT manufacturing. Which
    leaves the cost of testing and homologation. It's very likely that the
    only way to get a race spec bike through is by hobbling it with a stupid
    exhaust and dangerously lean fueling. So for the average punter, the
    bike will end up being less good on the road. Look at those race reps
    and most of them needed the same money spent again to get them back to
    where they should be and better on the road than the stock equivalent.
     
    Julian Bond, Oct 11, 2005
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