exhaust sludge

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by jr, Jul 10, 2005.

  1. jr

    jr Guest

    Hello everyone I own a 01 cr125r and there is this black sludge running out
    my exhaust pipe any ideas on what this is and how to fix it any help is
    greatly appreciated
     
    jr, Jul 10, 2005
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  2. It's just 2-stroke "mung", which is carbonized oil that has thickened
    and runs out around the exhaust pipe joint. If you're doing a lot of
    slow running, the mung accumulates in the bottom of your crankcase and
    then when you ride a little harder it gets blown out the exhaust pipe,
    with some of it escaping...

    You may even have some mung built up in a curve of the exhaust pipe if
    it hasn't gotten hot enough to vaporize any liquid and turn into
    carbon...
     
    krusty kritter, Jul 10, 2005
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  3. jr

    Teal'c Guest

    Hey youve invented the Scott oiler
     
    Teal'c, Jul 10, 2005
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  4. Back in the early days of the last century, some motorbikes were
    equipped with a one-shot oiling system. They had a Pilgrim pump. The
    oil went through the parts it had to lubricate *once* and then dripped
    onto the road. It wasn't such a bad thing, considering that roads were
    dirt and the oil helped keep the dust down...

    Early Kawasaki Z-1's were equipped with a pump attached to the
    swingarm, as I recall. When the arm moved up and down the chain was
    oiled. Too much oil, according to what I've heard, riders removed the
    pumps...
     
    krusty kritter, Jul 10, 2005
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  5. jr

    jr Guest


    Thanks for the help everyone
     
    jr, Jul 10, 2005
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  6. jr

    yamadawg Guest

    if your bike is spitting out oil of the exhuast it sounds like u are
    jetted to rich. u should be able to run ur fingure in ur exhaust and
    yor fingire should not be coverd in oil
     
    yamadawg, Jul 11, 2005
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  7. jr

    jr Guest

    ok I leaned out my jetts it seemed to help a little butt there is still
    sludge comming out the pipe and the bike blubbers in the top of mid range
    just before power band kicks in it kind of feels like its flooding any
    ideas?
     
    jr, Aug 2, 2005
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  8. Your engine is "four-stroking". It's hitting on every other compression
    stroke because it's too rich.

    Move the e-clip on your needle UP one groove to lean up the part
    throttle operation, ride it and report back here.
     
    krusty kritter, Aug 2, 2005
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  9. jr

    oldfart Guest

    The exaust is supposed to spooge a little. That is what keeps your rear
    brake lubed.
     
    oldfart, Aug 3, 2005
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  10. jr

    kenny Guest

    The first thing to check is whether you are using too much oil in the fuel.

    ken
     
    kenny, Aug 3, 2005
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  11. jr

    Plowboy Guest

    DING DING DING, we prolly have the obvious winner. Good job Kenny, hate to
    find out this guy thought 50:1 meant 50/50 gas oil...


    kenny enlightened us with:
     
    Plowboy, Aug 3, 2005
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  12. Trying to cover up a jetting error with a hot spark plug can lead to
    burning holes in the top of the piston when the engine starts pinging
    badly.

    A rider should not stray more than ONE heat range hotter or ONE heat
    range colder than specified, and should know what pinging sounds like.
     
    krusty kritter, Aug 4, 2005
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  13. jr

    MX Tuner Guest

    Absolutely. The only time I recommend this is when someone rides int
    eh lower half of the rev range almost exclusively.
    The only time I've ever had to go colder is when hotrodding a small
    bore four stroke motor like a KLX110, for instance.

    MX Tuner
     
    MX Tuner, Aug 4, 2005
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  14. jr

    jr Guest

    the problem only occurs after riding (preaty much wide open all the time)
    for awhile and only in 4th & 5th gear
    my ratio is correct
     
    jr, Aug 5, 2005
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  15. jr

    jr Guest

     
    jr, Aug 5, 2005
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  16. If you're running 3/4 throttle, you're still running on the needle's
    taper, so you can drop the needle by raising the clip a notch or even 2
    notches.

    If you're running full throttle, wide open, and you still get
    blubbering, you need to install a smaller mainjet. Don't go more than
    about 4 sizes maximum. Like if you had a #110 mainjet, and you
    installed a #100 mainjet, that is four sizes smaller, because there's a
    108, 105 and 102 between the 110 and the 100...
     
    krusty kritter, Aug 5, 2005
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  17. jr

    Wudsracer Guest

    Excellent advice.

    But, is your fuel air ratio correct?
    Very good advice, although I wouldn't recommend going down more than
    one size main jet at a time. (ride and test between changes.)
    I still like the advice about the moving the needle clip up a
    groove.

    If the bike is blowing that much spooge, then the exhaust pipe may
    need to be emptied and the silencer repacked before jetting can be
    correct. You'd be surprised as to how much spooge some pipes can be
    holding. The power valve may even be sticking from the cooked on
    spooge.

    I used to always be able to tell when my silencer demanded to be
    repacked. It would catch fire on long (1 mile + straight stretches.)
    Now, I just repack it before it gets that bad.



    Jim Cook
    '04 Gas Gas DE300 Woods Pilot
    Team LAGNAF
    SMACKOVER RACING
    BJEC/SERA/TSCEC/AHSCS
    www.smackovermotorsports.com
     
    Wudsracer, Aug 5, 2005
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  18. jr

    jr Guest

    ok its as lean as i care to go helped a little but still sputering could
    this be clutch? maybe reeds?
     
    jr, Aug 8, 2005
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  19. What does the spark plug look like? Is it wet with fuel or oil when you
    run hard, or is it white as bone? If the plug is wet and fouled from
    running at fuel throttle you need to lean up the main jet.

    Your carb comes with a #360 or #380 hexagonal mainjet. There are jets
    in the OP Carburetor fiche from 300 to 440 so owners can tune their
    engines for running at high altitude and in hot weather.

    The standard air atmospheric conditions that the carb is set for from
    the factory is sea level and 59 degrees F. If you are running at 3000
    feet and the temperature is 86 degrees, the correction factor is 0.92,
    meaning you'd probably want a 330 main jet instead of a 360.

    http://hondaex.com/techtips/carb101.htm (Look at figure 9)

    The clutch would have nothing to do with sputtering. You might have a
    damaged reed petal though. The carburetor doesn't know which direction
    the air is flowing through it and will pick up a doubleshot of fuel.

    Other possibilities are that the air filter is over-oiled or dirty, the
    floats might be set too high, or the choke might be on all the time.
    The "choke" isn't a plate like on a car, it's a little valve in the
    carb that sucks fuel straight out of the float bowl. If the valve
    leaks, your mixture could be too rich.
     
    krusty kritter, Aug 8, 2005
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  20. jr

    MX Tuner Guest

    What did you change? How lean do you care to go? What circuit? Did you
    try the pilot jet?
    Tell us what you *did* do.....

    MX Tuner
     
    MX Tuner, Aug 8, 2005
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