Even the folks in BA.moto are badmouthing Scientology & Doc for his association with said

Read the thread "Scientology guys at La Honda" in ba.motoorcycles.
That's DocWong's home turf so it looks like his association with
Scientology might well be his own downfall.

I think what Doc Wong is doing "stand alone" is a good thing
considering all the MC crashes up on the South SF peninsula of the
SFBA. All he need do now is disassociate himself with Ron L. Hubbard's
legacy or the Scientology worldwide cult/$$scam. As far as Keith Code
goes, he also does good things but for a price and I think he's been
hooked by the cult a bit deeper than Doc Wong. When Code was in PHX
last year, he never mentioned any connection with Scientology but the
signs were plastered everywhere on his equipment.

I'd ask Andy Burnett to chime in with his POV as an occasional
employee of the California Superbike School but I doubt he'll want to
stick his neck out as it could endanger any future employment with the
Code school. I do know this via the grape vine that a former
instructor of the Code school or "High Side Terry" got out as an
instructor due to them pushing him to join & follow the Scientology
philosophy. Finally, Andy Burnett is a very nice, easy going fellah
with no obvious connection to Scientology. Same with Doc Wong (so I
hear, never met him personally) but I did meet Keith's wife who was a
bit on the "pushy" side. (She couldn't understand why I didn't want to
do the school with just one leg and half a functional heart).

I think that in good conscience now is the time for us bikers to be
diligent (outspoken) about this Scientology-Code-Doc-Wong connection.
If there is an underlying agenda then it behooves all of us Sport
Bikers to expose it "post haste".



Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 55K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures

 

There was a time when Harry didnt really push any sort of Scientology
agenda on the rest of us. I used to do the rides... I even ran sweep
on a few.
I also used to help out at the Rider Safety Day up at Alices.

The year the Doc decided to put in the Scientology information booth at
the rider safety day he got alot of criticism from the volunteers. It
also signalled the last time I volunteered for any of his public
service effort..

What Doc Wong does it a public service to motorcyclists just starting
out.. As long as you dont try to follow Docs ego in the fast group on
your first Doc Wong outing, you stand to learn quite a bit and gain
some stability.

I have obvious personal feelings about scientology.. Doc can follow any
lifestyle he chooses.. I hope he leaves that out of the good he does in
the motorcycle community.. As far as I can tell, it only takes away
from the purpose, the meaning, and the effectiveness.

 

Please tell me you're trolling.

I like Doc. I don't think I've ever seen him try to use a motorcycle
situation to preach anything but motorcycle safety. Best of my
knowledge, Doc keeps his beliefs to himself unless asked.
I'm happy to ride with him occasionally and he does lots of good
work in the local motorcycling community.

If Keith Code wants to put bumperstickers on his equipment
I'm fine with that too.

Are we making this uproar to protect the kiddies or maybe to
protect those feeble minded adults who can't make up their
own minds ?

Sheesh !!

 

OK, so the offending paragraph is

And special acknowledgement to L. Ron Hubbard who has provided me
with
the vital tools to be effective in life, making it possible for me to
be successful in family, work and my passion for motorcycling!

I guess I'd put that in about the same category as a lot of
Jesus olr other religious stuff that I see in bumperstickers, sigs,
etc.

I took one short Scientology course in 1969 in N.Y., decided I
liked some of the people fine but didn't like the monolithic
organization. I walked away but never begrudged it to anybody
else as a belief set. I also try to talk nice to Jehovah's Witnesses.

I used to work with a lady who just barely managed to escape
People's Temple with her kids. That I'd call scary. Rajneesh,
L. Ron Hubbard and your general run of the mill religious stuff
is something I don't think adults need protection from.

 

No I'm not trolling! What started all this was Doc Wong's unabashed
advertisement for the upcoming Code classes at old Sears point >$400
with your own bike in the international news of
"alt.motorcycle.sportbike". I found that action criminal. I have no
problem when Doc posts about his FREE La Honda clinics/rides but
posting a pay event is outright spamming of a news group or way more
serious than the daily email Spam we've grown to live with.

Years ago, I used to give Doc a hard time for posting his local rides
in an international news group but I stopped that some years ago.
(ba.moto OK, alt.moto.sportbike, purposeless & wasteful of bandwidth)

I've never met Doc but yes on Code. I will not slander them or their
instructors (including Andy Burnett) who posts fairly regularly in
these news groups. From what I understand there is no religious talk
to Code class customers UNLESS that attendee asks about Scientology.
That's where the connection begins or ends.

I'm not and there were several negative comments from friend who took
the course when the Code's were here in Phoenix last year.

Rob, I'm a staunch proponent against a surreptitious agenda mired
behind doing something superficially altruistic. I've had my own short
dealings with Scientology back in the seventies that lasted all of two
days and being strong minded bailed before actually getting hooked.
And really, if you know these people they're about 100 times more
persistent than the worst car dealer you can imagine. At the upper
levels, It's a criminal cult. Period; actually banned in some
countries.


Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 55K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures

 

And you are probably nice to Mormon missionaries... Be nice to the cult
recruiters, with hopes they'll just **** off.

Sorry, they need to be told to **** off.

Bryan

 

Why is that ? I have no plans to join any cults this week.
What if I tell them to have a nice day ? Does this
then cause them to celebrate with a satanic ritual
or something ?

 

I likewise took one course in 1969, walked away and went on
with my life with no hard feelings. I've also rented to one and
found him a perfectly likeable responsible guy.

After you've figured out how to walk down Haight street in the
summer of love, getting asked for "spare change bro ?"
every three steps, these folks are pussycats.

Scientologists, you say "Been there, done that".
Jehovah's witnesses, you say "Thank you for your concern about
my soul. " Both of them, you then say "Have a nice day" and walk on.

I recall one rattlesnake in a mailbox story from the early '70s.
Other than that, I haven't followed it all that closely.

Unlike Jonestown, I've never heard of people being prevented
from walking away. When they're not holding their followers captive
and we're talking about adults, I generally shrug my shoulders.

 

That is the issue, it is not unlike Jonestown, or Waco...

You are strong, "they" pray on the weak. I cut "them" no slack.

Bryan

 

Ah, just recognize it for what it is, and realize that many Scientology
front groups which deny the connection are, in fact, Scientology with a
rubber nose and a wig.

Programs like:
Narconon
Criminon
CCHR
FASE
Second Chance
Applied Scholastics
Drug-Free Marshals
Youth for Human Rights
Earth Organization

All these are front groups, whose main purpose is to disseminate
Scientology beliefs and doctrines. From drug rehab to the rabidly
anti-mental health industry's Citizens Commission on Human Rights, there
is a constant push from Scientology to get this garbage accepted by the
public, often at taxpayer expense.

Narconon, for example, was booted out of California public schools after
a devastating series of articles by the SF Chron's Nanette Asimov
prompted an investigation of their "drug education" program. It was
found to be inaccurate, misleading, and bogus.

These creeps send in yellow-jacketed "volunteer ministers" to disaster
areas to sell books, promote Scientology, and pose for photo ops. That
these untrained idiots swarm into areas when authorities are asking
people to stay away, endangering legitimate rescue workers, speaks
volumes about their real purpose in being there. PR. It's all about PR
in Scientology!

They sell crap programs that are useless, so they can say they're
fighting drug abuse, illiteracy, etc. etc. As Stan said on South Park,
"Scientology is a big, fat, global SCAM!"

--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

If the cult was up front about what it is, I'd have no problem with it.
Fact is, people get sucked in through front groups that deny any
relationship with scientology. It's dishonest, and doesn't allow for an
informed decision.

--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

Rattlesnake/mailbox was Synanon, not Scientology. Both start with an S.

--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

My all time favorite though was my Jewish ex mother-in-law
confronting a door to door evangelist.

The evangelist lady at the door asked her if she knew Jesus
was coming.

My mother in law smiled and said "He's here already. Didn't
you know ?"

The evangelist lady seemed confused by this and my
mother in law smiled at here and said "Perhaps you're not
quite ready to meet him yet dear. I'm sure you will be soon.
Have a nice day."

 

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There's a reason god made Jewish mothers. Thanks for making my day.

 

There's plenty of people to do that. No doubt, like any good sales
organization, religious proselytizers are well-instructed in how to deal
with rejection.

If you have a need to tell them to **** off, go for it. But it's not a
duty.

Rich, Urban Biker

 

Who says they aren't? Ask Lisa McPherson about that..

 

Amen and hallelujah, brother.

 

You atheists are just jealous that the believers earn their shit tax
free. Being religious is only second to working for the gubment when it
comes to panhandling the productive class. You guys try that and you'll
be roomin with Wesley Snipes. At least you'll get to hear stories about
the joys of riding the 998 in Blade II.

 

Hi Guys!

Wow! What a thread you have going here!