Euro diesel reaches the US

The URL I posted previously would say that Ford agreed with you- according
to it, the Ford 1.6 TDCi is a Pug engine. I also liked the 1.6l diesel
engine in the Peugeot 307 Estate I rented on the last Italian sortie.
Not sure if it was the 90hp or 110hp version but regardless, it was a
pleasure to drive.

Hopefully by the time I buy another newish car, something along these
lines will be available in the USA.

 

Peugeot stopped importing to the U.S. maybe 20 years ago.
I've owned a couple and would consider another one if
it were available. Great suspension and very durable.
Reportedly not too resistant to road salt.

The problem with both Peugeot and Citroen is that French
national pride demands that many things be done differently
from the rest of the world, even if the rest of the world
has a pretty reasonable way of doing things.

From a Cheech and Chong movie, Cheech under the car
on a crawler, nice blonde standing nest to it.

Blonde lady: I have a black Peugeot. Have you seen it ?

Cheech (looking up from under the car): No, I haven't,
but I knew you wasn't a natural blonde.

 

My Father ran Citroens from the mid '80s until a couple of years ago.
Can't say any of them had corrosion problems - the first diesel BX was
fragile when thrashed, the next had a rev counter & was still pulling
happily at the redline. It was more robust than it's predecessor but
20mph slower... Since then I've been keen on either rev counters or rev
limiters

Only reason he stopped buying Citroen was that the C5 (the successor to
the Xantia he was replacing) was too big for the garage. The Renualts
that proceeded the Citroens did rot but not nearly as badly as the Fords
of the time.

I can never make up my mind if it was French national pride or merely
Citroen's engineers answering questions that no-one was asking.

 

My favorite Peugeot ideosyncrasy was wiper and turn
signal stems reversed on the steering column, turn
signal on the right. People wonder why you're turning
on your wipers every time you make a turn.

Some of the other stuff like wet sleeve cylinders
and small diameter radiator cores made lots of sense
but could cause lots of grief when the car was tended
to by people who weren't used to it's oddities.

One guy I know who was used to heavy equipment did
manage to screw up his Peugeo diesel pretty badly
by overheating it. It was his own fault, but if you
didn't know the car, it could definitely bite you.

 

No, as Mark said, it's a 2006 or so registration. The Brits
are totally _anal_ about their "registration marks" -- to the extent that
"F1" recently sold for, IIRC, somewhere north of half-a-million quid
(that's a million bucks to you guys). You're allowed to transfer
"cherished" plates (i.e. custom) to newer vehicles; you are _not_ allowed
to put an age-related plate on a vehicle older than the age of the plate.

I don't know the full history of rego marks, but at some point
they were standardised (in GB, but not NI) to 3 letters/3 digits/1 letter,
the last letter changing each year. When they used up the alphabet they
changed to 1 letter/3 digits/3 letters. Through much (all?) of this,
leading zeroes were dropped from the 3 digits. Certain letters weren't
used for obvious reasons, esp. Os and Is.

There's also much prestige in having the "latest" plate, and the
change to the next letter was, I think, in August. This led to peaks in
sales as the plates changed, so the industry persuaded the Gov't to change
plates _twice_ a year, to stimulate car sales. This also led to the
alphabet running out more quickly. So, around 2000 the plate format
changed to 2 letters/two digits/three letters where the two digits were
the last two digits of the year for 6 months, and those digits plus 50 for
the other 6 months. Thus -56 is either Aug 06-Jan 07, or Feb 06-July 06
(approx). I can't remember which is which as I'm not a Brit and
registration marks are not something I wank over.

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Having had and worked on Citroens and Peugoet for more years I can remember,
I love the cars but hate working on them!!


stems reversed on the steering column, turn

I drive a number of vehicles in a working week two Mitsibushi Canter, 2000
model indicator on RHS and one 2004 indicator on the LHS boy does that make
it confusing, all other vehicles Freelander, Merc. Man, Citroen, Iveco,
Peugoet, VW all on the LHS and I can not think of any car european or not
that now has it's Indicator stalk on yje RHS

As above hate working on them, though I love the quirkiness about French
cars Have a jap bike though!

My Citroen BX had warning lights on the dash for temperature , the amber one
was 'You are about to f***k your engine and the red one was 'too late!!'

 

My brother used to have a service business and would always
mumble something about having to pull a Peugeot rear axle
in order to change a U joint.

A bicycle mechanic tells me there's also a special non-standard
almost unobtainable cotter pin for French bicycles.

Must have been a sad day for France when they changed over.

 

Our neighbor's kid responded by filling the
engine with water when the oil light came on.

My own daughter's really pretty good with tools
and mechanics in general. I never realized quite
how fortunate I was.

 

"It's on the internet so it must be true".

It's still *not* a subsidy, numbnuts. Now, I've explained the
difference between a very high and a not-so-high tax, and I've given
you a dictionary definition of a subsidy, and I've pointed out that
when you pay a tax to a government, that is emphatically *not* a
subsidy to you. I don't care what you or any other fantasist thinks.
It just isn't.

God gave you a brain and the manual dexterity to operate a keyboard,
but evidently not the intelligence to use both together. Goodbye and
thanks for playing.

 

I didn't actually know that Ford used PSA diesels! But it doesn't
surprise me. The French have simply been designing, building and
refining small diesel engines for longer than anyone else.

Moving onto bikes, I would *love* to see a small turbodiesel engine
developed for a touring bike. Something maybe 1.2-1.4 litres,
producing perhaps 80-90bhp but with oodles of torque and the fuel
consumption of a 250cc bike, so giving a 350-400 mile range. Diesel
engines tend to look a bit of a plumber's nightmare, but hidden under
bodywork it shouldn't matter.

Years ago, BMW was rumoured to be considering a diesel version of the
K fours. I once tackled a BMW suit about it, but he denied they'd ever
done any work on it. I think I read somewhere that Honda is working on
a large diesel engined bike.

 

I'd tend towards the latter. Citroen has always been gloriously
'different' and sometimes incredibly advanced, except for that decade
from the late 1980s when they produced a series of incredibly
conventional and dull small cars.

 

Not many French cars here (eastern Canada), except rich university profs . I
grin everytime I think of the small Renault that used to sell here as the
'Lecar'.
I refer to them as "from France, land of the h'upside down radio"
Honda should be able to easily adapt their new Accord diesel engine to a
bike (reduced in size of course).
I think it will be about ten yrs before the oil industry is no longer able
to keep them (diesel accords and the like) out of the US, and hence North
America.
Mmmmmm..... diesel accord estate wagon 5 spd. I thought of importing one
from St Pierre (French island just off the coast of Newfoundland) but cars
under 15 yrs old "aren't safe" and can't be imported, according to our wise
government.

 

Since the N/A 2.3l Sierra, which was so slow that it made Continental
Drift look like Formula 1.

*cough* Golf I Diesel. AFAIK that was the first small capacity diesel
(although it may only have been the first one that was a 'converted'
petrol engine.

Dunno if you got that in the UK as early as we did, but wikipedia.de
suggests that we got it in '76. From memory, a mate of mine was tooling
around in a '77 Diesel when we were at school.

The looks are one problem, but I think the added weight due to the
strengthened engine components and the high-pressure system for the
Diesel injection pump with associated gubbins may be a bigger issue.

Supercharged?

<ducks>

 

*All* the definitions? I linked the dictionary definition. You can read,
right?

And you're still wrong and looking more stupid by the posting.

 

Could be. I don't think we would have got it that early. I remember that
France was building small diesels in the late 1970s. France has
certainly got more experience of making them than VW, I reckon, because
the home market was so big. Still is, of course.

Yes, I wondered about that. It would be heavier. As for the injection, a
disel pump is heftier than petrol, and I *think* a bigger battery would
be a good idea, but with a CD diesel there's not that much more plumbing
than on a modern computerised spark ignition engine.

Naughty boy. Actually, does anyone make supercharged (as opposed to
turbocharged) diesels?

 

Yes and no - Mercedes has been putting Diesel engines into cars since
the 30s (as, actually, has Peugeot) and millions of taxi drivers and
farmers bought the things. But that was pretty much the target market
and efforts of selling Diesels to civilians pretty much failed (like
diesel-converted BL Farinas in the sixties). Diesel engines only started
appearing in small cars like the Golf in the '70s as a direct response
to the early '70s oil shock and both Peugeot (well, PSA), Renault and VW
developed them in their respective home markets. Oddly enough, the
Japanese manufacturers missed that boat initially as they preferred to
develop cleaner petrol engines...

You'll definitely need a bigger battery to crank the engine due to the
higher CR ratio. You can probably control the injection with an ECU
these days as per petrol engine, so you can do away with the unwieldy
pump in an awkward space. But in order to reap the benefits, you'd
probably want to stick a turbo on the engine as well and that might lead
to space issues again.

I'm not 100% sure and I don't have the time to dig through a stack of
magazines here, but I vaguely recall that some of the two-stroke diesels
(no, that's not a joke) back in the 30s and 50s used them.

A quick google found me a press release for a Daihatsu Kei-car with a
660cc Diesel twin which has both a compressor and a turbo, so it can be
done.

 

A little more Googling suggests that two-stroke Diesels need a
compressor so the incoming air clears the combustion chamber well
enough. But it appears that the principle is pretty dead for road
vehicles due to the higher emissions.

 

A long time Citroen owner I used to work with described
the car as a brilliant idea, 90% well implemented.

This may have been immediately after he crawled to the
shop with a deflated suspension.

 

I had an '81 (or maybe it was an '82) Chevette, with a 1.8L Izuzu
diesel.
It had a five speed, but no balls.

I could get 40 mpg with three passengers and all their gear for a
weekend of white water.
With a 15' Mad River solo canoe and a Perception kayak on the top, mpg
dropped to 34.

The title said 67 hp. I believe it.


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