Engine Oil

Spete says...

That's fucking good when you consider who you work for.

 

The others are paying me, I see no reason to give it back to them (plus my
local garage doesn't stock it anyway)

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Spete
www.gimmemoney.mine.nu
www.spete.homeip.net

Occasionally, I'll be consistent

 

I'm presuming here that you work for a Castrol competitor?

If so, maybe you should consider loyalty to your employer? I'm with
Lozzo on this one (if he was making a mild criticism).

 

says...

I was

 

In which case I whole-heartedly support this.

We're quick enough to criticise our employers when they don't support us
and, yet, that support seems to be often lacking in the reverse
direction.

 

says...

So you don't think that he should use the most appropriate product,
regardless of the source?

If I worked for a car manufacturer I might consider that a car made by
another manufacturer suited my needs better, would it be wrong to buy
that other car?

 

Yeah, cause you'd get a flippin storming deal on a motor from your
employer.

 

Ben Blaney says...

Yes, but that's not quite the point.

 

MattG wrote

Yes it is. You should at the very least mention to your employer that
they don't build cars which are suitable for their employees, even when
discounts are factored in and that is why you will be being disloyal.

 

steve auvache says...

I'd disagree. Without limiting the discussion to cars, I buy what I
consider to be the most appropriate product for me. I might be inclined
to mention why I had purchased the product of a rival organisation, but
see no reason why I should choose an inferior product for my needs
simply because I work for a company that makes such an item.

I used to work in a pub, should I have only drunk in that pub?

 

MattG wrote

Fine, spread it to the whole of business.

Plain and simple good capitalistic practices. You do everything you can
to make your company more successful. It is in your own long term
financial interests to do so.

You shouldn't drink. It ruins your eyesight and turns beautiful wimmin
into ugly ones in under 12 hours.

 

steve auvache says...

If the company for which I work offers the best product, then I will buy
it. It may be in the best interests of the company to do so, but not
mine. You see, I work for the company, I do not own it. Yes, it is in my
best interests that the company remains profitable, but I don't feel
that I should settle for an inferior product in order to ensure that.

I suppose I should point out that I do not work for a profit making
organisation. My commitment to my employer is to work to the best of my
ability, to contribute as much as I can to that organisation. This would
not change if I were to work for a profit making organisation, I do my
job and get paid for it. I would be more than happy to utilise the
services of my employer, should they be needed, however, I would happily
go to another organisation if I felt that my needs would be better
suited.

Heh, I don't drink anymore, or rarely anyway and my woman remains
beautiful regardless of my sobriety.

 

MattG wrote

Oh but it is. A healthy happy company is a well paid continuously
employed you.

You own a part of it though surely? A good part of the profit of your
labours is to be found in the value of the shares and the distribution
of the profits not to own a slice of that is to deny only yourself.

Nor should any of your customers and your companies products/services
are not good enough for you they are not good enough for your customers.

What a waste of your efforts or do you have a nice private income which
enables you to be so philanthropic?

 

steve auvache says...

Yes, I appreciate that. However, the continued sucess of the company
must be weighed against the benfits that I derive from purchasing from a
rivial. I may feel that it is in my better interest to purchase from a
rivial despite the loss to the company I work for.

I own no shares in any companies. Nor do I wish to. I go to work, do my
best, get paid, then I go home. I'm happy with that, well, not eniterly
happy, as I am looking for another job at the moment. But I will act in
the same fashion in my new job.

Indeed, but if my company produce an inferior product I will not
purchase it. Nor should anyone else, we, as a compnay, should improve
that product. Although, a product which is inferior for me may be best
for someone else.

 

If this was the case, yes. I thought that Lozzo's implication was that
it appeared he worked for one oil manufacturer and choose to use
products of another.

Under those circumstances there'd be nothing wrong although in that
situation I'd probably try to support my employer and take something
close enough.

 

says...

You may be right, although he may consider that the oil he bought is
superior to that produced by the company he works for. I see no problem
with this.

Fair enough, I wouldn't. I'd buy the product I wanted, if it was made by
the company I worked for, so much the better. Having never worked for a
profit making organisation (outside of student working) I've not
developed that sort of attitude.

What you said above, about expecting support from an employer, but being
unwilling to give it, means something different to me. I consider that I
support my employer by working hard and to the best of my abilities. By
keeping my knowledge current and ensuring best practice, and so on. I
support my employer in that way, if I were working for a profit making
organisation any support they received from my purchasing of their
products would be entirely incidental.

 

It seems that you don't agree with the way I think.

That's fine.

But, this is really tedious. You admit that you've never worked for a
profit making organisation and then try to take 'moral' positions based
on something you've no experience of.

Whatever, Altberg.

 

says...

Well it entertained me for a couple of minutes. Got me thinking about
corporate loyalty and such, anything that makes me think is a good
thing.

I wasn't trying to take a moral position, it's just about a differing
attitude. I'm not claiming I'm more 'right' than you, I'm interested in
the way people think, so I ask questions.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

 

You had a similar (well opposing) attitude IIRC to my experience with
ordering boots from Altberg.

 

says...

Did I? I don't remember that.

Neither does google, it would seem.
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%
2Bmattg+%2Baltberg&meta=group%3Duk.rec.motorcycles.*

You may be confusing me with someone else, although I stand to be
corrected.