Engine issue....

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Nosher, Oct 21, 2003.

  1. Nosher

    Nosher Guest

    Some advice on my dilemma.....

    My ZZR600 spilled out all of its engine oil when it slid on the road
    about 3 weeks ago.

    The bike has stood for that time, and I now have the parts to sort the
    engine. (new alt. cover, oil filter and oil).

    My worry is this....the engine has had no oil in it for 3 weeks and
    has just sat there....the engine would not have siezed by now, surely?

    Do I need to do anything special, when I start it for the first time?

    Any help would be appreciated..

    TIA
     
    Nosher, Oct 21, 2003
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  2. Nosher

    Wik Guest

    That's not 100% accurate; ok, your bike dumped the contents of the
    crankcase, however, there will still be oil coating all the bits that need
    to be coated with oil.
    It's unlikely to have rusted, if that's a better way of putting it.
    And stop calling me "Shirley".
    It'll not hurt to whip the spark plugs out for when you initially spin it
    over, that way, the oil pump has an opportunity to build up some pressure
    and get some oil in and around the mains and top end where it's most
    needed.

    Other than that, no, not really.

    Pop the plugs back in, give a bit of choke and fire her up, making sure
    the oil pressure light goes out (it may take a second or two).
    No probs.

    HTH.
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    Wik, Oct 21, 2003
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  3. Nosher

    Ginge Guest

    No chance, that's not how an engine siezes.

    Also my SZR engine sat on a bench with no oil for over 12 months.. fired
    up perfectly the second time it turned over.

    I rode it round the block and everything worked. I returned to the
    garage.

    Only then did the carbs piss fuel everywhere....

    And it's now 2 months on, and I may attempt to fix the carbs at the
    weekend.
     
    Ginge, Oct 21, 2003
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  4. Nosher wrote
    Nope.

    I leave it to others to call you a **** while they explain how hard it
    is for this to happen.
    Nah, just wring the nuts off it like you would after any other oil
    change.

    Be paranoid about leaks once in the first hour or so.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 21, 2003
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  5. Nosher

    jsp Guest

    Make sure you have removed all fragments of the old cover.

    --
    John

    SV650
    Black it is
    and naked
     
    jsp, Oct 21, 2003
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  6. Nosher

    sweller Guest

    No, it seizes when all or some of the bits of engine case and gravel you
    neglected to clean out post-crash block an oil-way or muller a bearing
    face.

    HTH
     
    sweller, Oct 21, 2003
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  7. Nosher

    deadmail Guest

    No, well it's not been in salt water has it?


    Of course it won't have fucking siezed from standing there. The bloody
    thing will be full of oil anyway, or at least there will be plenty over
    the components enough to stop them rusting in 3 weeks anyway.

    Yes. Remember that you need to get it warm quickly. The method for
    doing this is to start it from cold and to blip the throttle twice then
    hold the throttle wide-fucking-open for 30 seconds. It'll help all the
    components bed in nicely.
    Happy to help
    Really, it's no problem.
     
    deadmail, Oct 21, 2003
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  8. Nosher

    Simian Guest

    Ginge :
    I'm getting all excited cos I may have a working bike by the end of next
    weekend. Still 10 (plus vat) quid for an engine bolt was a bit of shock,
    especially when you need more than one. New front sprocket, new chain,
    to go on, and quite possibly a new speedo if I can find time to solder
    up the electronics.

    Then again, judging by the frost this morning, and my lack of real need
    for motorised transport, I may end up making a proper winter project of
    it and redo all of the instrumentation, and then giving the front an
    endurance racer look.

    I may even be tempted to spray it green if I do that...
     
    Simian, Oct 21, 2003
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  9. Simian wrote
    Green green? Bright, dazzling nearly dayglo green? Even greener than
    Kawasaki green?

    Fabulous.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 21, 2003
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  10. Like Joyce's snot green, scrotum tightening Kawasaki?
     
    Old Fart at Play, Oct 21, 2003
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  11. Nosher

    Ginge Guest

    Sounds like the SZR.. A money-pit. No, hang on, that's all
    motorcycles..

    But don't feel too bad I had to pay £25 for one of the engine bolts...
    they got around it being a ridiculous price by calling it an "engine
    axle".
    Y'mean with the small spotlight style headlights? That'd look good.
    Unless you've got top quality gear, or don't want a perfect job it's
    probably worth getting someone else to, IMHO.

    That said I'm probably going to spray the SZR as it's not got to be
    perfect.
     
    Ginge, Oct 21, 2003
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  12. You have no worries about seizing or rusting at all.

    Depending on what sort of damage was sustained, it may be possible that if
    oil got out, road grit or bits of broken casting from the holed casing may
    have got in.

    It would be worth while flushing it through before finally filling it up
    again. If possible take the sump off and check it for debris.

    HTH

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    KillaHedgeHog, Oct 21, 2003
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  13. Nosher

    Simian Guest

    Ginge :
    Heh, it was the circlip that got me, 2.58! I popped into the local
    hardware shop and bought a pack of 10 for 38p.

    Yeah, I need to find out how to make sure they're road legal tho.

    I don't need perfect, and I've got the kit, I'm just not sure I've got
    the patience to do an entire bike, I find spray painting dull, and the
    finishing even duller.
     
    Simian, Oct 21, 2003
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  14. Nosher

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Yeah, it was fucking freezing this morning. My last morning of
    commuting by bike. **** it, I'll take the train tomorrow, and until
    March.
    Do it.
    Definitely do it.
     
    Ben Blaney, Oct 21, 2003
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  15. Not unless you left it sitting at the bottom of Brighton Pier, no.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 22, 2003
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  16. Nosher

    Muck Guest

    Nice one! :eek:))
    The oil ends up in the sump of the engine normally anyway... it gets
    pumped round only when the engine is turning, except for the bit when your
    engine first starts, and then only for a split second.
    Just don't rev the think up, like so many people seem to do with their
    bikes when they start them. If it's mechanicaly ok, they all it'll need is
    a bit of choke.
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    Muck, Oct 22, 2003
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  17. Nosher

    sweller Guest

    Although a bit of a chore, and doing a VW camper did try my patience, I
    quite enjoy spray painting.

    Household painting, however, I find unutterably boring.
     
    sweller, Oct 22, 2003
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  18. Make it you've put oil in it...

    Others have explained why it won't...
     
    William Grainger, Oct 22, 2003
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  19. Nosher

    Champ Guest

    If you're going for the Endurance look, use Kawsaki France colours.

    If I ever put mine on the road, that's what I jope to do.
     
    Champ, Oct 22, 2003
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  20. Nosher

    Sean Doherty Guest

    Heated grips are your friend. I had to turn mine down to 'Low' this
    morning as 'High' gets a little too hot after a while.
     
    Sean Doherty, Oct 22, 2003
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