Engine animations

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    sweller Guest

    Interesting but not exactly new thinking. A friend demonstrated the 4
    stroke cycle on the school PET 32 by use of much PRINT, CLS and GOTO.
     
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    jsp Guest

    The wankle was interesting. I'd heard about them but never quite been
    able to picture how they worked. They were used on some bikes weren't
    they? Why did they stop? I would have thought they would be more
    efficient in some way.

    --
    John

    SV650
    Black it is
    and naked
     
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    Slider Guest

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  8. Suzuki RE5, Van Veen OCR1000, Herculex/DKW W2000, and Norton made both
    air and liquid cooled ones.
    Poor fuel consumption, environmentally dirty (they burned oil like a
    two-stroke)[1]
    Smoother, fewer reciprocating parts.

    Expensive to build, though.

    [1] I'd like to know how Mazda gets round the pollution aspect.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 4, 2003
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  9. Yeah, I was never able to visualise how hose things worked until I saw
    that.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 4, 2003
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  10. jsp wrote
    Emissions issues I think it was.

    Less moving parts should have made it this way but even with development
    they have never really lived up to their promise. Or it may be that
    they have been made as good as every they are going to get. Who knows.
     
    steve auvache, Dec 4, 2003
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  11. knows.

    The biggest problem with them is making efficient
    seals at each point of the triangular "piston". They
    get very hot and have to resist a lot of pressure.
     
    Steve Brassett, Dec 4, 2003
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    deadmail Guest

    Didn't they have problems with the rotor-tip seals as well?
     
    deadmail, Dec 4, 2003
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  13. Originally, yes. NSU did on the RO80 car, and I think Suzuki did too on
    the RE5. But improved tip alloys, and better lubes, cured the prob by
    the time Norton made Wankels.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 4, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    Aye the new Mazda RX goes some by all accounts. Time it made a proper
    comeback in bikes, perhaps a Suzuki/Mazda joint venture.
     
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    Hog Guest

    I don't think the problems are technical now
     
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    Les Goodwin Guest

    Originally, yes. NSU did on the RO80 car, and I think Suzuki did too on
    the RE5. But improved tip alloys, and better lubes, cured the prob by
    the time Norton made Wankels.[/QUOTE]

    IIRC they were experimenting with ceramic tips at one point.
     
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    sweller Guest

    1965, MZ KKM 350
    http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/images/lh18.jpg
    IIRC that was due to lack of development and they require tighter
    manufacturing tolerances. The vane tip sealing was always a problem.
    There's also the issue of the major manufacturers resistance to
    re-tooling and retraining.
     
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    tallbloke Guest

    True enough. It's a shame the Norton was banned by the FIM for being
    too good. Another Norton which would happily top 140mph...

    <dons asbestos overalls>
     
    tallbloke, Dec 4, 2003
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    Lozzo Guest

    tallbloke said....
    IIRC it was banned because they couldn't decide its true engine
    capacity. Entering it in 600 races was a little bit cheeky imo.
     
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