Electronic tagging for bikes moves that one step closer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6707367.stm

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"The DVLA is considering forcing all the UK's 1.3 million motorcycles
to be fitted with plates featuring electronic tags, which are
currently being trialled."

I've never responded well to force, (quiet in the cheap seats) they
will receive a considered FRO.

 

a) get rid of speed cameras
b) we all move to the IOM

Do they really think it a more complex number plate will not be cloned
in exactly the same way?

Anyway I think it's a planted story and part of a much more sinister
scheme associated with the ANPR tracking of all vehicle journeys.

 

Hmm

<devils advocate mode>

Why would it be *such* a bad thing

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And/or number plate theft would increase.

 

Victim Tony Bullock thinks that chips in plates will cure car / bike
cloneing, so it _must_ be true. Tony Bollocks more like. For every
system that comes out, there will be a work around. I bet all it'll take
is a some kid with a cameraphone and £10 worth of electronics up his
sleeve to crack it.

 

Because with this they're just greasing you up for the next step. The
embarked GPS speed tracking device... Enjo-oy. ;-)


Eric,

 

It will help to track your every movement and any infringement of speed
limits at any time.
It might enable road charging.
I could go on but I won't.

 

In

What's to stop some scrote just nicking the electronic plate/, or have I
missed something?

Plus, given chip n pin cards have already been cracked I fail to see how a
chipped plate is seen as more secure.

Surely, the easy solution is to find a physical lock for the existing place
or similar?

 

Ahh, 'tis early.

Good points, well made.

FTFF

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1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr

BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7)
X-FOT#000
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How does one go about getting a French plate ?

 

Go to France and steal one.

Only works if you've got good enough French though if you get stopped.
I'd suggest that a German plate might be better; the chances of the
police speaking German are likely to be lower than French I'd imagine.

 

No you haven't. My guess is that they'll just be even more insistent
that it was *you* because "computer says so" and we all know that the
these things are infallible.

It's worse - unless they changed plans these plates have an embedded
RFID chip which (a) is a lot easier to crack/clone compared to a chip &
pin card and (b) can be read at a distance with the right equipment.

They're also said to be not microwave-proof.

The bit that really gets me is that they've made the problem with
numberplate theft worse in the first place with all the
surveillance/charging technology and are now trying to combat it with
even more surveillance technology which is clearly for our own best,
dear.

WTF they don't change to a system like they have in other countries
where you have to physically go to a VRO with your paperwork and get the
plate stamped/stickered to 'validate' it is beyond me.

 

The most stupid thing is that it's easier for me to get "illegal" plates
from NI than it is for me to go to the local motor factors and buy one. The
only people who are struggling to get plates because of the new legislation
is the normal law abiding bod who has to take a load of paperwork down the
motor factors. The people who need fake plates either get them from NI or
know a bloke with a machine that's not registered.

Because that would be too fucking simple. Same thing with the NHS - lots of
jumping up and down because our system won't work. Lots of ideas about how
to alter it, and no agreement. Despite the fact that on the other side of
the chanell lots of people have decent healthcare and the poor aren't dying
in the streets yank style...

 

I'm not sure why bikes are being singled out here.
Surely the far greater problem is cloned cars avoiding fines by automated
systems , and having dodgy plates on is of no use if you are stopped by
trafpol as a few basic checks will show something is wrong. Oh , wait ,
there are no trafpol left.....
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*ding*

Where do you think I'm getting my replacement plates from?

Indeed, but it shows that they are "doing something", even if it's
decidedly daft.

Like a mate of mine used to say, just because you're running around like
a headless chicken doesn't mean you don't need mouthwash.

It's not only the other side of the channel. Ann just moved to another
state in the US and had to re-register her car there. They checked that
her car wasn't nicked, then assigned her a plate (well, she's got a
vanity plate...) which some poor chump in a prison will make for her
eventually. From that point on it's all online interaction again.

 

Because we're an evil, law-breaking minority that has no place in a
safer and cleaner Britain.

 

Nor in the USA.
http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1154314

 

If said scrote nicks your car / bikes ID just by walking by it, it won't
be reported until something strange happens. Just nicking a plate is
obvious. We'll be back to the old days of said scrote jotting down your
plate and making one up. Because they'll be able to program a blank RFID
chip with your code that they got just by walking by your car... or
whatever.

 

Ah, but that's never going to happen because they'll make reading an
RFID numberplate a criminal offense...

 

On the whole I'm sure bike riders are more law-breaking than car
drivers.