effective opposition

Well, I'm sure there will be a need for a few more quangos. I expect
they'll be setting one up to keep an eye on you lot, just to make sure all
of those x9k are spent properly of course. Then there will be the new
offices to open up in the new Labour marginals created by the boundary
changes.

 

We're having to start people with no engineering background for the
power station outages this year because of a shortage of people with the
required skillset. No work? I'd say that it's more a case of not enough
people capable of doing it.

Btw, they're so keen to work that we have to pay their fuel costs and
travel time or they're not interested.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy B

We have offered a telesales job to two people who haven't shown up on
day one. One guy started, stayed two days and never came back.

Obviously, there is work out there.

 

So what's the average?

 

(The Older Gentleman) wrote in

I'd look it up but the link is dead "We are sorry that the Research and
statistics part of the DWP website is not available at present."

<googles> someone has archived it at
http://web.docuticker.com/go/docubase/30187

2.9 million before housing costs and 4.0 million after housing costs so
the latter gives you the 25% figure and the former explains the difference
between Save the Children and Action for Children.

and the full doccument is here
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....k/asd/hbai/hbai2008/pdf_files/full_hbai09.pdf

 

12 million!! That is an unsustainable figure, we should start culling
them now before they totally destroy the whole ecosystem.

and we have a place to start.

 

Considering this seems to be exactly what they are doing I fail to see
where any argument that they are even the slightest bit fettered could be
thought of as anything but utter fucking bollox.

 

I find myself in something of a dilemma over this one. While on the one
hand I agree with much of what he said I would rather would be happier if
he had been wearing civvies rather than his regulation business frock when
he said it.

On the whole I come down firmly in the camp that thinks he should **** off
and die and keep his opinions firmly in the pulpit and that the fucking
media should do the rest of us a favour and fail completely to report them
but this does add a problem in that the voice most widely reported
recently who holds views like his is his and if the fucking media had
indeed done us all a favour then whose voice would we hear speaking for
the poor people?



..

 

So either figure is valid.

Just nice to know.

 

No, we need more if they're ever going to pay my pension.

CLONE THEM.

 

And the easier the state makes it for people to survive without effort
the more that will take the easy option.

I'm several hundred pounds a month worse off since April. This is
money that is supporting my Children through university so it's not
*just* myself. These are children that I've chosen to educate at my
expense so I'd say that is pretty unselfish.

Fine, I'd rather pay tax for Children to be taught how to behave than
to watch parents surviving well enough on the back of someone else's
efforts.

I don't. My job was moved so now I work (mostly) in Dusseldorf and
London.

The commute to London is at my expense as are any nights I stay in
London.

What point are you trying to make here? There are jobs available,
when I wanted one (in 84 when IIRC there was still significant
unemployment) I went around to businesses that interested me (on
crutches) offering to work for no more than unemployment benefit plus
my bus fare. I spent a year commuting a 20 mile journey (which took
close to an hour) on this deal to gain some work experience.

What a glib answer.

 

Or that people want them.

 

Or it's too fucking easy *not* to work.

 

So the short answer is "I don't know but someone's said 4 million and
I'm happy to accept that figure"

 

now who's giving the glib answer?

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Stephen

When I consider the family who live in a privately-owned house next door
to mine, four adults, only one working (in a McJob), who manage to run
three cars between them (one on an '09 plate) and who boast of getting a
grant to replace their windows, I find myself unable to disagree with
you.

I also wonder where I'm going wrong.

 

Pip wrote:

Inflation adjusted manufacturing output in the UK since 1948.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Q0dtFCubBJo8wqJXvp6ahAGakoXM_NkJ0e
imnmXR9_Q?feat=directlink


There's a similar graph for agriculture, if you're interested, which
accounts for less than a single digit percentage of GDP these days,
iirc.

Obviously, compared to Germany, with 'industry' making up 30% of it's
GDP, our 20% is fairly small, but it's roughly equal to that of most of
the rest of Europe.

Iceland's main problem is it's balance of trade with the rest of the
world. Luckily, this is usually self righting before you resort to
subsistence farming.

 

<thinks>

Have you tried dishonesty coupled with a lack of respect for the
property of others?

</thinks>

 

That's exactly the point. Mostly people with more money will have it
tied up in shares and other investments, or spread around a bit, so
50k is fine for all but a small few.

Currently 85K, having been raised at least twice.. It was 50K in
2010, 35k in 2007, something less before that...

 

Me clearly.

But just look at what you've posted when asked what the definition of
child poverty was; links to several large (and in some cases
questionable documents) when a simple "yes" would have done to my
earlier question- when pushed you later gave this simple (and easily
understood) measure as one of the indicators- the one returning the
higher number.

The document with the 31 factors, let's look at a few of those:
- Number of fillings in under 5s (I paraphrase)
- Childhood obesity
- Pedestrian injuries (scored twice! once for reported, once for
attending hospital)
- Children killed or seriously injured
- Child trust funds

These are really indicators of poverty?

And more importantly what a waste of fucking money writing that
document. Someone's been paid money from the public purse to try to
prove some spurious political point. Clearly the money that is going
into 'care' is being utterly wasted on this kind of tosh.