Effect of changing fork springs and oil to original specs?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Ken C, Jun 4, 2005.

  1. Ken C

    Ken C Guest

    I just got a 93 BMW 1100RS. It seems to ride pretty stiff. the guy who
    sold it to me said he changed the fork springs and oil to heavier. I am
    considering returning the forks to original factory spec. What effect
    should I expect in handling the bike. I am a very gentle rider and
    enjoy cruising mountain roads. I do not ride fast or aggressively. Thanks.
     
    Ken C, Jun 4, 2005
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    Paul Cassel Guest

    What is your weight compared to his? Did he usually ride two up? Do you?
    Luggage?

    I don't remember the 1100RS being particularly softly sprung. If it were
    me, I'd go back. I weight about 180 and ride alone.
     
    Paul Cassel, Jun 4, 2005
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  3. Is that a K-1100RS? Ask the guy exactly what brand of spring he put
    into the forks, in terms of spring rate, preload settings, oil weight,
    and oil level before you start experimenting. He just may know
    something about what he's doing if he tells you that he's installed a
    straight wound spring and may know nothing at all if he says he
    installed Progressive springs...

    I looked at the www.racetech.com site and plugged in 175 pounds in
    their spring calculator and come up with a recommended spring rate of
    0.961 kg/mm...

    That's a 53.6 pound per inch spring...

    Race Tech offers four springs for the K-1100RS
    29.0mm diameter x377mm long $110.00
    ..80kg (44.7 lb)
    ..85kg (47.9 lb)
    ..90kg (50.92 lb)
    ..95kg (53 lb)

    The 94 K1100RS came with a stock fork spring rate (measured)of only
    0.460 kg/mm. That's only 25.7 lbs per inch!

    What are the gentlemen engineers at Race Tech trying to do, by
    recommending that you install springs with twice the rate per inch as
    the stock springs?
    Are they *crazy*?

    No, they aren't crazy. They are trying to set up the forks to use only
    half their available travel so the machine will have more predictable
    steering...

    There's the old story about Giacomo Agostini, and how the MV Agusta
    factory offered him a factory ride on their GP bike, so they sent him
    out for a test ride on what they had available, which was a 600cc shaft
    drive inline 4...

    The machine was set up as a touring bike, it had long travel suspension
    like BMW's have. It had about 6 inches of travel in the front, and 4
    inches in the rear. Agostini came back from his test ride and told MV
    that he would race for them if they would reduce the front fork travel
    to about 3 inches and the rear travel to about 2 inches (or less, I
    disremember the exact numbers). The MV representatives were horrified,
    and refused to modify their carefully engineered suspension system to
    meet the demands of this racer. Who did he think he was? Then they
    reconsidered and hired him and he won about 15 world championships in
    various racing classes...

    But, obviously, BMW expects their machine to be ridden straight up for
    comfortable long distance touring, they don't expect the rider to be
    doing any dangerous maneuvers, like turning the machine at high lean
    angles. Or racing in MotoGP...

    A motorbike wallows in the corners with a long travel soft spring. I
    could even feel my touring machine wallowing slightly on the freeway,
    in long corners with half a mile radius. Preloading the rear shocks a
    bit by turning the adjuster made the wallowing go away, and gave mne
    more confidence in the handling...

    Now, what if you went back to stock springs and left the rear springs
    preloaded all the way stiff? Your motorbike could turn into a very
    scary
    Frankenstein machine, as the rear tire bounced across sharp bumps and
    tried to transfer weight to the front wheel. Your motorbike would feel
    absolutely dangerous under those conditions...

    However, some experienced BMW riders do get frisky. They do track days.
    When you lean a motorbike over to a 45 degree lean angle so you can
    corner at 1 g lateral acceleration on a race track, the effective
    static weight of the chassis on the springs is 1.414 times the static
    weight of the machine when riding in a vertical attitude...

    A motorbike with really soft stock springs will compress its
    suspension, and I suppose a BMW with a heavy rider and stock springs
    would be compressing all the travel out of the springs at high lean
    angles...

    If the suspension travel is all used up by static loads, there's
    nothing left for sudden dynamic loads imposed by sharp bumps except the
    compression damping of the fork due to the movement of fork oil through
    whatever valving
    the fork has...

    If a fork has a compression blow off valve and really soft springs and
    the rider hits sharp bumps while leaned way over, the motorbike will
    effectively have a rigid chassis, and the tires will be the only point
    of suspension compliance...

    Like most other manufacturers trying to cater to the sport touring
    crowd, BMW has worked their way into a corner with that tiny little
    120/70 X 17 front tire. It has to have really rigid sidewalls to
    support the excess avoirdupois of a porky rider on a heavy motorbike...

    If the front forks bottom out due to soft springs while you're trying
    to corner, that little front tire will skate away from you and you'll
    find yourself in a huge speed weave that will try to spit you off. If
    you find both legs on one side of the motorbike, it's best to *let go
    of the handlebars before the motorbike flips over and launches you into
    the air*...

    You may not race or want to ride really fast, but the point I'm trying
    to make with this tale is that performance riders don't like long
    suspension travel and soft springs on their motorbikes. It makes the
    steering too unpredictable. That's what you'd get if you went back to
    stock on your BMW. The forks would move up and down more than you're
    used to and the rake and trail would change a lot more than you've
    gotten accustomed to and you'd find the handling scary when you
    approached a sharp turn and tried to take it at the speed you're used
    to.

    Springs have a natural frequency as they compress and rebound.
    Automotive engineers work with those frequencies to get a ride that
    appeals to whatever group of customers they are trying to attract. Your
    father's Oldsmobile's springs had a suspension frequency of about 1
    cycle per second. The ride could be described as "boat-like". It gave
    kids motion sickness. They had to take Dramamine...

    Your BMW with the original springs would fall into the "boat-like"
    category...

    Sportscar spring frequencies are about 3 cycles per second. The car
    handles great, but the driver wants to get out of the car and rest
    after several hours behind the wheel...

    Sportbikes and racing cars can have suspension frequencies of 3 to 5
    cycles per second. They feel taut and responsive on smooth race
    courses, but a sportbike with a 5 cycle per second frequency will
    jiggle your eyeballs so hard on a concrete freeway, you can't focus
    your eyes...
     
    krusty kritter, Jun 4, 2005
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