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Hope I'm not cutting into your Martin Luther Day celebrations, ya
racist red-neck.

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To be honest, that comment doesn't even bother me.

First, it's Martin Luther King Jr...Reverend at that. Your comment about him
speaks for itself.

Second, the day I freely admit to deliberately hitting someone because I'm
too afraid of their background or their race, then you'll have something to
compare me to you. Otherwise, it stands on it's own merits. You're not
correcting what you said if it's in error...so it must be correct. Live with
it.

 

Don't get ahead of yourself, boy. Start with something easier first:
Like the day you freely admit to your long history of maliciously
generating lies about other people.

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What part am I lying about you?

All this is what you said. You said you had no intentions of stopping. It
was your ride and your choice. Right?

That would make it deliberately hitting someone.

End of story. I've heard enough from you and your bigoted shit. Had you
pulled that crap down here, you'd be sitting in a penitentiary...if not sued
to the hilt. What started out funny has turned disgusting.

Live with it....because I'm sure a true bigot such as yourself is "proud" he
hit 'em one!

 

Oh, the part about saying it was deliberate; when the only accounts of
it has always stated that she waited until the last instant before
running into the roadway to block my path.

I *said* I had no intentions of stopping to pick her up *prior* to her
jumping into the middle of the road to block me. ****, learn how to
read.

And, while you're at it, learn to ride a motorcycle too. Then you'll
know that when you maximum-brake, you can only do so in a straight
line. Since she persisted in holding her position and I could see I
wasn't going to stop in time to avoid colliding with her, I released
the brakes and swerved hard to the left. Fuckin' good thing I did
too, or else she would be dead.

"Deliberately" There you go again.

Your twisting of the account is as justified as when people have
decided to accuse you of *deliberately* letting your daughter die out
of neglect, you pitiable, imitation of a man.

****, you're a blinded hypocrite.

I suspect you are the one who has unresolved regrets to live with;
which is what has made you so mentally ill.

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Maybe in context of where you live, James. If it was construed that
way, it's my mistake and I apologize.

I was insinuating that Brian is probably not really so concerned about
racial justice as he is pretending to be. He is, after all, clearly a
person obsessed and consumed by his own hatred for others. Much worse
than a racist, actually, so I guess I under-shot the criticism!

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There you go again, bringing up my daughter. She didn't make you hit that
woman. She doesn't have anything to do with this.

I didn't bring your wife into this and still haven't....even though you did
everything you could to bait me into it. Only remark I made was wondering
why you, or anyone, would refer to your wife as "treaty status". That makes
me the better man. Deal with it.

Nah, I (as well as many in these two newsgroups) just spotted an ignorant
bigot who hit a woman because he refused to stop when she was in his way.
That same ignorant bigot ("you", in case you might not figure it out) even
went so far as to say he had no intentions of stopping because he was afraid
of her. Deal with it.

Perhaps, but I'm not the one who deliberately hit a woman because of where
she was or where her background was at. I'm not the one who bragged about
hitting the woman because of her race and then when it was pointed out about
the race playing issue in you hitting her, took exception and began
screaming about the American Indians. I'm not the one who when the American
Indian thing didn't work, began making further racial remarks about blacks
in this country.

The more you say, the worse it gets for you. I don't believe you're
intelligent enough to know this, Road Plow.

 

And you know about these "racist" things...personally?

You can't figure this one out, can you Road Plow?

 

In light of the above, there might be one thing that you and I can
agree on. You could still get a whole lot more nasty and hurtful
towards me and I could still get a whole lot more nasty and hurtful
towards you. That's an obvious fact.

But it's also completely unnecessary. I have told you that I did not
deliberately hit the woman and you (plus your father) are choosing to
reintroduce that same charge (of what amounts to attempted murder)
over and over and over again, each and every post, day after day.

Okay, now you've said it many times, so you shouldn't need to repeat
it any longer. It really is your choice.

But, if you do choose to continue, then I assure you that all bets
will be off and I will decide there is nothing at all out of bounds
regarding you (regardless of the negative consequences I am certain
will come back at me). Not because I want us to go there, but because
you will show yourself deserving of as much personal pain as I can
inflict on you (and that too will be repeated over and over and over,
until it makes you very miserable as well).

So think about it, Brian. You can drop the subject and another word
concerning it ever being brought up by me again. Everything has been
said; nothing to gain by repeating ad infinitum, but a big down-side
for both you and I, if you can't restrain yourself on this matter.

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Oh, let's back up a second here, Road Plow. You keep bringing my daughter
into this and now you say you "could" get more nasty?

**** you.

How's that for nasty? And to think, I didn't even have to bring up anyone in
your family's death to do it....

You didn't "deliberately stop" either. It was your choice and your ride,
right? Isn't that what you said? You had no intentions of going into an
emergency stop, right? Isn't that what you said?

If you were being as analytical as you claim in all your writings, you
must've recognized the danger of killing this woman for your "choice".

I'm starting to feel like Perry Mason here...

As long as you keep sitting on the other end denying it and trying to get me
to back off thus giving the illusion that I agree, it will be repeated. It's
your choice. As long as you're here in tx.moto harrassing others, I'll
continue harrassing you. It's your choice.

I didn't go looking for you. You thought you had a dog in this fight....

You've been given many opportunities to stop this and go home without
further problems. You chose to get into this fight and you chose to stay.

So now we're down to "if you don't stop picking on me, I'll get pretty mean
with you"?

<I did that in my best flaming voice....I know how you guys do it better,
but I'm trying>

I haven't said anything that wasn't true or that you hadn't already said. If
you don't like what it looks like in the mirror, perhaps you should consider
plastic surgery....or buy a new mirror (or how ever that saying goes).

BTW, if you're the "top of the food chain", I'd hate to see the bottom....

 

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Not at all. It's well established that you can't be prejudiced against
white people. They're just getting what they deserve.

 

Jim, I think you need to get your sarcasm meter
recalibrated. 8^) I've been bit by that very same line in
the past...made even funnier because the man who said it was
A) a police officer B) Guild representative C) Black D)
smiling like the cat that ate the canary...I miss that guy.
Best punster I've ever read, wicked sense of humour AND the
most unbiased person I ever met. Sadly a good man died
because of a damn ford.

There are some friends that leave as big a hole in your life
as family does...

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Some people ride, some just like to show off their butt
jewelry once in a while.
Dum vivimus, vivamus
<3 )3~ <3 )3~ <3 )~ <3 )~

 

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He fell into a "deep, steep-walled, U-shaped valley formed by erosion
by a glacier and submerged with seawater" while in Norway?

 

Uh, NO. It was ford explorer...if you wish details ping me.
Short story is...well there isn't any short story.
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<>?<>--X-No-archive: yes
Keith Schiffner wrote:
Sadly a good man died because of a damn ford.

 

A ford and not a fjord, eh?

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arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
to skid in sideways, cigar in one hand, favorite beverage in the
other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming WOO
HOO - What a Ride!" --- Anonymous

 

<sigh>

James, you have *no* sense of humour...

 

Hope I'm not cutting into your Martin Luther Day celebrations, ya racist
red-neck.
--------------------------------------------
Is this comment not a example of predjuce (sp?) sorry, its late & I'm
tired
James Wilson------------------------------------------------

Maybe in context of where you live, James. If it was construed that way,
it's my mistake and I apologize.
----------------------------------------------
I was insinuating that Brian is probably not really so concerned about
racial justice as he is pretending to be. He is, after all, clearly a
person obsessed and consumed by his own hatred for others. Much worse
than a racist, actually, so I guess I under-shot the criticism!
-- Road Glidin' Don----
---------------------------------------------
••••Hey there, don't you think saying ''hatred'' is a bit strong
for a NG comment to someone? > Cuss 'em, call em' bad names, call em'
the worst name yo Mommy taught you...but don't accuse any one in here of
''hating folks'.''>Don, to me, that makes you appear kinda stupid. Not
ignorant, there's a difference in being Stupid and
ignorant.((!!))...Bjay.....
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The utter despicableness of the Walkers' exploiting peoples' tragedies
and deserving whatever comes back on them as a result was precisely my
point as well.

As everyone will agree, the most basic principle of morality is to "Do
unto others as you would have them do unto you". For that reason, I
think it was highly appropriate (even necessary) for me to invite
Brian to consider whether he would approve of people exploiting his
tragedy; since he does so repeatedly in my case.

And keep in mind, James, that while he *was* exploiting my tragedy, I
was only suggesting he consider how he would feel *if* I exploited
his.

So, to be crystal clear, Brian is *actually* exploiting someone's
tragedy, while I am pointing out to him what that is tantamount to.
That is an vital distinction that you were wrong to ignore when you
cast your one-sided allegation.

And, although having a person nearly kill you by attempting to commit
suicide in front of your bike is not the equal of losing a family
member, it is definitely not an exaggeration to it was a very tragic
circumstance (for both parties). Even the Walkers say so.

The way Brian goes out of his way to repeatedly and maliciously
exploit the tragedy exactly mirrors what (I have seen) being done to
him. That is: Brian is not just satisfied with simply making light of
the plight of the people involved - he goes that extra, vicious mile,
accusing the victim of purposely and intentionally wanting it to
happen!

Well, we're all riders here and I think we all know that bad things
can happen to any of us.

If a car chooses to pull out across our path at just the most
inopportune time, I don't think it would be appropriate to charge our
brothers with wrong. And certainly not, when seeing someone here with
a vendetta against the other, to support that person charging the
rider with causing the accident on purpose. Not only unfair, it's
ridiculous. People on bikes don't go hitting big objects on purpose.

Given enough miles of riding, even uncommon things can happen on the
road as well. While unusual, pedestrians have attempted suicide,
jumping in front of vehicles. People high on drugs have thought
themselves able to do anything. To say such things happen is not like
asking people to believe aliens from outer space dropped out of the
sky and did something.

But that's okay. You are free to believe Brian if you want, James.
But, in order to do so, remember that you will also have to believe
the following things:

1. Although I had just come from staying the weekend (including
overnights) at an Indian Reservation and have been married to a native
woman for 29 years now, you must believe Brian's childish allegation
that I didn't stop to give a 300 lb woman a ride on my bike because I
was "afraid of native people" (BTW, has anyone reading this *ever*
stopped and given a 300 lb woman a ride?)

2. Although I had managed to transition from about a second of
maximum-braking to an extreme, left-hand swerve at 60 mph, glance off
a 300 lb woman, stay on the road and keep the bike from going down,
you must believe the product of the Walkers' imagination that the
accident was really caused because I "froze."

3. Even though the right highway peg (which is about 1 foot off the
ground) was sheared off and ended up inside the woman's right arm and
her left hand hit my right mirror, you must believe Brian (who wasn't
there, in case you forgot) when he says she did not dive towards the
bike as I swerved left in a desperate attempt to avoid her.

4. You must also believe that the RCMP, who didn't charge me were
simply being racists. The fact that one of them volunteered to drive
all the way from High Prairie to Edmonton to testify against the woman
(if my case came to court) must only further prove how filled with
racial hatred the RCMP are.

5. Although a private investigator (who I was foolish enough, without
my lawyer's approval, to give a taped interview to) and a team of
lawyers who attempted to sue for $300,000 damages had to drop their
lawsuit after concluding they stood no chance of getting even a small
percentage of guilt ($$$) assigned to me, you must believe that the
well-heeled, well-educated and accomplished, amateur, trailer park
lawyers known as the Walkers could have easily proven the case!

6. You must also believe that I had no regard for my personal safety
(death being a possible outcome for me as well) or the damage that
would occur to an expensive bike (my insurance policy has a $3,000
deductable, btw). Instead you must believe that I, on some homicidal,
racist rampage, intentionally hit the woman, as Brian says.

7. You must also believe that the Walkers - from their trailer park
headquarters in Texas - have miraculously acquired some secret
document that shows me saying I ran into the woman because she was in
my way and I simply did not want to stop - rather than the only
document available to the rest of us, which stated I did not want to
stop to give the woman a *ride* when I saw her ahead, on the *side* of
the road, motioning for me to give her a ride (the whole part about
her charging into the middle of the road at the last instant, just
before I passed her, having occurred after that). Add to that the
history of the Walkers proving they are dumb as a sack of hammers and
misread and misconstrue other written material with incredible
frequency and regularly disseminate unproven lies and vitriol about
others.

Your choice.

And have a nice day!

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Whew.. your personal relationship with Bill Walker and Brian certainly
qualifies your comment.

Very good..

For that reason, I

The manner in which the tragedy of losing a much loved child can't possibly
be construed as comparable to your own motorcycle traffic accident which you
were involved in.. That is certainly twisted logic, and very telling of your
own character..

No one "exploited" your so called tragedy, but yourself.. You were the one
who posted it and the one who pasted it on your own website.. You tried to
exploit your so-called tragedy to enhance your own image.. The tragedy
wasn't yours, it was the woman you hit on your motorcycle..

I

Nossir.. you attempted to follow through on another like you had already
used the tragedy of my grand daughters' death to cause harm..

If someone attacks your family because the don't like you, you got a gripe..
So far, no one has accused you of neglecting or abusing you child and
causing her death.. I questioned you account of the accident and suggested
that you froze and hit a woman ..

Your own account of that woman's tragedy when you hit her is more than "one
sided" and far from "allegation".. You posted it on a newsgroup and your own
website..in your own words..

Since you obviously did not sustain injuries, the woman certainly did, that
burden of tragedy is a little misconstrued.. You certainly were not the
"injured" party ..as you've tried to impress everyone..

Even the Walkers say so.

Bill Walker has said that your version of the events leading up to that
accident are highly questionable and there are more probable explanations
for what were the actual sequence of events..

Your outrage is well documented, isn't it ? Where ? Your comments about the
loss of an innocent child are posted on this newsgroup, this week..

That is: Brian is not just satisfied with simply making light of

Your own accounts of the accident have led to speculation about the veracity
of that account.. Brian has questioned your integrity in making those
comments..

That is exactly right.. Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong..

These types of things do happen, especially when riding on city streets ..
Not quite as often on rural highways.. Most of us have barely escaped
collisions of that sort many times..

And certainly not, when seeing someone here with

Now .. you are touching on what this is all about.. You elected to join into
a "flame war" that was engineered and designed to discredit and humiliate
someone.. The "vendetta" was being waged against the Walkers on another
newsgroup.. Neither one of us addressed you directly or indirectly until you
bounced into that flame war to help out your usenet buddies.. I was not even
aware of that accident, until it was brought to my attention.. You began to
justify your account of it and I even went to your website and read what
you'd posted there..

Not only unfair, it's

For one, I don't believe you hit that woman "on purpose".. I believe that
you were showboating for the people who were watching the motorcycle, and
froze during a crisis..

Your account would have been more acceptable, had the accident occured on a
traffic busy city street with pedestrians bustling.. On an isolated rural
highway, not likely..

That has not been disputed by you.. That woman did not magically appear on
that isolated highway.. There were no obstructions that she hid behind..
Visibility distances were sufficient that you should have been thinking
about all the "possibilities" that could develop..

Some bikers have been known to "lay one down" rather than risk the
collision.. Everyone walked away and the bike was minimally damaged.. hmmm..
Maybe you were actually reloading as you so boastfully claim in your
signature line..

Racism never entered the discussion until you commenced referring to it..
I.. for one didn't know the woman was a member of one of the tribes.. until
you finally came out with it..

The fact that one of them volunteered to drive

There again, that is strictly your one-sided usenet account ..

Most accident cases are settled in pre-trial or sooner.. I'm not familiar
with the judicial system in Canada, but most accident cases in Texas never
get to the courtroom.. My contention is that your insurance company, more
than likely settled with that woman and the case was dismissed.. Even
though you deny that, there isn't much evidence to dispute a common sense
deduction ..

you must believe that the

It doesn't matter if anyone lives in a mobile home park or on Ross Perot's
estate.. Your account of that accident has a very bad smell.. You might be
greatly surprised to find out how many question that account even before any
comment by any Walker..

Smoke and mirrors are not acceptable.. I've never even suggested you hit the
woman on purpose.. I've suggested that you were showboating for the people
on that rural highway and froze in an emergency .. hit the woman and damned
near killed her.. You haven't disproved it, you've only substantiated it..

Your own arrogant comments are what is being used to dispute your account of
that accident.. No documents necessary.. Your constant referral and contempt
for mobile homes and the parks where they are located is furthur
demonstration of that arrogance ..

- rather than the only

Your account of that accident contains several inconsistencies that you have
not explained other than to hysterically call people liars, attempt to
insult where they live, insinuate that you've killed someone in a fist
fight, etc.. etc.. The added insult about the contemptible comments
regarding the death of a child only adds to the speculation of your own lack
of character or defense..

Add to that the

There goes that "vendetta" thing . again.. Yessir..my contention that you
were showboating on your motorcycle and froze in the face of an emergency is
probably more than accurate.. Your continued hysterical defense of this
accident is also very revealing..