E3 Diamondfire spark plugs

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Masospaghetti, Oct 9, 2005.

  1. Anyone heard of these / used them? The claims are pretty bold.
     
    Masospaghetti, Oct 9, 2005
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  2. "Mouse milk!", shouted the automotive engineer to the inventer of
    "breakthrough technology", and walked away in disgust...

    How much does an E3 cost, anyway? $6.00 or $7.00 apiece, like a
    Split Fire? Nippon Denso Hot-U's only cost $2.50 each.

    Spark plugs with multiple ground electrodes have been around forever.
    I've seen them with four or six radially arranged ground electrodes and
    ground electrodes that looked like the nail-removing claw of a hammer.

    How many of you guys use Split Fires? I've never ponied up $28.00 to
    change my plugs and never will...

    The easiest one to fabricate looks to be the ND Hot-U
    plug which has a channel up the center of the ground electrode where no
    spark would ever fire to anyway. Sparks "prefer" to jump to and from
    cooler sharp points, and the tiny amount of heat energy increases local
    temperature, so the sparking moves around. Eventually the sharp edges
    of the center electrode erode away, and the plug fires at a higher
    voltage.

    When I tried Nippon Denso Hot-U spark plugs for the first time, I
    noticed that the engine mysteriously behaved as if it had a slightly
    hotter spark plug. The Hot-U's ran hotter and stayed cleaner in my
    dirty-running 2-stroke engines.

    Maybe the Hot-U actually does have a bigger flame kernel? Quien sabe?

    So the E3 folks say that there's a bigger flame kernel to pop my
    popcorn machine and that combustion pressure is increased by their plug
    with its special ground electrode?

    Well, you get a spark in a 2-valve per cylinder engine around 45
    degrees before top dead center when the ignition is fully advanced.
    And then cylinder pressure rises really really really fast, but not as
    fast as like, say, during an explosion.

    And all the combustion that's going to take place has finished by 45
    degrees after top dead center. And the engine is well into using the
    pressure of burning gasses to drive the piston down so fast you can't
    even see it.

    That's in an older, less fuel/heat efficient 2-valve engine.

    The newer, more fuel/heat efficient 4-valve engines have more
    turbulence in the combustion chamber, so they need less ignition
    advance. Full advance on my GS-1100 engine is only about 32 degrees
    BTDC and combustion is done by 32 degrees ATDC.

    So, at high engine RPM, the combustion event takes place in some
    milliseconds of time less than it would occur in a 2-valve engine, and
    less heat is tranferred uselessly into the metal parts of the engine
    instead of driving the piston downward.

    This does mean that it's necessary to cause the cylinder pressure to
    rise more rapidly in the 4 valve engine than in the 2 valve engine.

    But, what the heck. High RPM 4 valve per cylinder engines have been
    around since 1910! And they didn't have any spark plug with a
    bizarre-shaped gimmicky ground electrode. That 1910 Miller engine had
    conventional spark plugs. And combustion chamber pressure rose fast
    enough to twist its crankshaft muy pronto...

    Honda 50cc and 125cc GP engines of the 1960's ran at up to 20,000 RPM
    with no trick spark plug, other than the fact that tiny engines used
    tiny spark plugs.

    The truth about ignition is that an engine requires no hotter spark
    than that which is necessary to light of the mixture, and then it takes
    time for the mixture to burn, so the ignition event has to be advanced
    in order for combustion to take place in less available time.

    So, what if your ignition advance curve is all set up to get X number
    of degrees of full advance, starting from X number of degrees static
    timing BTDC and you install a set of plugs that increases the speed at
    which combustion chamber pressure builds up, and the pressure builds up
    so fast (and so early) the starter has to struggle to crank the engine
    over (especially when the engine is hot)?

    The starter might crank the engine real slow and maybe even be unable
    to crank the engine when hot!

    Not understanding what the effect of more rapid combustion chamber
    pressure is, you'd be mystified and you'd be scratching your head and
    asking about why your battery suddenly seemed so weak and you'd be
    troubleshooting your charging system, when it was just the static spark
    was advanced from installing those E3's...

    So you might find yourself having to figure out how much to *retard*
    the static ignition of your engine.

    How engines work. How little things cause major problems. What a trip.

    Wouldn't it be easier just to stick with a more conventional plug or
    try the Hot-U's?

    Another interesting point that the E3 site mentioned was the
    orientation of the flame kernel to the airflow inside the combustion
    chamber.

    Many years ago, the engine gurus were chanting about how all the tuners
    of "fast" racebikes were "indexing" their spark plugs so the
    open side of the ground electrode faced toward trhe intake valve.

    Since cylinder heads are cast aluminum and there is some slight
    difference in the thickness of the head and when the machine cuts
    threads in the spark plug holes the threads don't start and end at the
    same point in all the cylinders, when you screw the spark plugs into
    the head, all the ground electrodes would point in different
    directions.

    So we were all supposed to run out and buy a spark plug indexing tool
    in order to install the spak plug with the ground electrode open end
    facing toward the intake valve.

    WTF? When the spark plug fires, isn't the gawddamned intake valve
    *closed*?

    The gurus of spark plug indexing insisted that an indexed plug would
    run cleaner, and, besides, they had bought all of those spark plug
    indexing tools from the machine shops and they needed to sell them.

    I haven't seen a spark plug indexer in about 20 years now. It appeared
    that I would need one for each cylinder of every machine I had...

    Or, maybe I just didn't understand how that particular "mouse milk"
    soultion worked. You have to milk a lot of mice to get a drop of milk.
     
    krusty kritter, Oct 10, 2005
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