DVLA Fees for a V5 Reg Doc

Bought another old Yammie recently that came without docs so I
called in at the Post Office for a V62 application form (for a
Registration Doc). It used to be free if you did not receive a V5
from the previous owner. It now costs NINETEEN F***ING POUNDS..!!

Consider that figure. This hasn't been carefully costed out or it
would be something like 48p including postage. Some twat at the
DVLA has decided that 20 squid would be a nice figure to extort
but let's knock off a pound as a psychological sweetener.

Since they re-branded themselves from a Centre to an "Authority"
they've forgotten that their principal role is to offer a public
service. We already pay more than enough in road tax, fuel tax
and speeding fines to fund the DVLA several times over. This is
taking the piss IMHO.

riccip

 

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What has it got to do with public service? They are there to
administer a part of the law and to collect revenue. Due to the number
of cheats the law has been tightened to a pretty ludicrous extent (IMO).
Therefore it all costs more - next time you buy a bike without a V5 you
know to extract the £19 from the seller.

Most of the posts on here about the DVLA seem to (a) express horror at
the new system and (b) say that the DVLA tends to do what it says it
will do in the time it says it will do it. Blame the government for
(a) if you want to and I don't see an issue concerning (b).

Oh and we typically don't have hypothecation of taxation revenues so it
is irrelevant whether car / bike related taxes and penalties exceed the
amount it costs to provide car / bike related services. It all just
goes in the government pot.

 

you are a dickhead for buying a bike with no sign of a V5

 

Paul Corfield says...

Good call.

 

I wonder why he bought a bike with no V5 in the first place. Not
something I'd do.

 

<fx: Fetches popcorn>

 

Thank you for your insight. Only problem is that I didn't buy the bike.

Now toddle off and try reading the post again.

 

No, he isn't. You're the dickhead for:

(a) Being semi-literate

(b) Posting to the wrong person - someone else has kindly shown you the
whole thread, for you to appreciate the error of your ways.

(c) Not snipping sigs.

(d) Not appreciating what it's like buying old bikes. I've bought a few
ancient things with no docs, because they've been forgotten in sheds for
decades and papers get lost. Buying something like a nearly-new sports
bike or Harley is different, but then the OP wasn't doing that.

(e) Being ugly. Somehow I just guessed.

Have you any more pearls of wisdowm to cast before us swine?

 

But there have always been road tax dodgers, that's the official
justification for the high rates of fuel tax. At what point would
you be prepared to believe we're paying over the odds? You may
not be aware but this 19 UKP charge was slipped in quietly in
February of this year while several existing licencing charges
were loaded by an average of 50%. The good news is that at age 70
your licence renewal will be free (previously 6 UKP) provided
they haven't worked you to death in the absence of a pension.

Don't blame the govt, blame the appalling apathy displayed by ppl
like yourself. So long as we're a nation of put-up-and-shut-ups
we'll continue to be shafted.

riccip

 

LOL. As a pikey I'd stick two fingers up, pinch some number
plates then call in a human-rights solicitor if they had the
bottle to nick me. It's not "just" the nineteen pounds. It's
because it's effectively another stealth tax. I must have a V5 by
law so I have no choice but to cough up an unreasonable sum for a
previously free computer print-out.

riccip

 

And you're a proven fuckwit.

Next!

 

Just to be picky: The 'A' stands for 'Agency', not Authority.

And the building itsself (or rather the two odd towers on a hill (tall one
at the top of the hill short one at the bottom, natch, so the link bridge
goes from near the top of the lower tower to, IIRC, floor 1 of the taller
tower...)) is the 'Centre'....

Apart from that, I kind of agree with the sentiment, although the realist in
me would point out that the internal market system and insistence on
Agencies, started by Thatcher and continued by Major & Blair, just adds to
the beaurocracy and ramps up the processing costs for everyone...

Dave

 

why would I want to?

 

I'm sensing a lot of stress in your life and unresolved issues.

In the greater scheme of things there are far more important things to
worry about. It's nothing to do with apathy - it's to do with
priorities. Quite why I need to give myself a seizure on behalf of
society I do not know. Why you feel the need to turn into a ranting
dervish I don't know either - it's £19. Peanuts. Personally I'd quite
like it if the fee was £100 and then the surplus could go towards
funding better NHS dentistry or education or something like that. Call
it a tax on the stupid.

Whether you believe it or not administration of these systems cost money
- why the bloody hell should I pay for someone's incompetence out of
general taxation? If idiots lose their paperwork and then buyers don't
cover the cost in the sales transactions then why do I pay for that?

 

You'll find that they've been a "Centre", an "Authority" and an
"Agency" at various times. The Home Office still refers to them
as "the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Authority".

Harold Wilson's government started the original DVLC. Major at
least introduced a charter, long since binned, in an attempt to
make them work for a living. Blair/Brown raised them to "agency"
status with instructions to start getting revenue, and lots of it
- no questions asked. Pretty much as they did with HM Customs.

riccip

 

We'll call that poetic licence. That's nineteen pounds please!

Agreed. It's the principle not the amount, and anyway I had 4
numbers on the lottery yesterday.

Just concerned that it's another sign of things to come. We know
they're considering a system of charging us per mile on every
journey. If we allow the small increases to slip by unnoticed
we'll collectively make little or no protest when they spring the
big one on us.

You mean to create the same dramatic improvements as all the
additional tax we've paid over the last few years?

The fact is you already do. You just don't realise it.

riccip

 

Pah, you don't know when you're well off. Here in Ontario when you buy
a used vehicle you have to pay sales tax (like VAT) on the sale price,
you need to pay a fee to transfer the ownership and you need to buy a
new plate sticker (like road tax) no matter how long was left on it
before.

 

["Followup-To:" header set to uk.rec.motorcycles.classic.]
Andy Wegg was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:

I believe the correct reaction is "It never arrived here, that'll be
nineteen quid then". When this happened to me earlier this year I was
supposed to send in the New Keeper Supplement as this would mean that
they'd waive the fee.

For some reason I sent *that* recorded delivery...

 

Heh. Before the charter was introduced on the railways we used to
deliberately knock coaches out of the formations. Then we'd go and watch
the poor saps trying to cram into the smaller train. Fucking hilarious.

Of course Major and his charter stopped all that nonsense.

 

Bike was a "barn find", legit but keys & docs lost years ago.

A V5 isn't as safe as you think. I can get a genuine blank V5 for
a tenner at a local pub, one of 2.6 MILLION currently circulating
on the black market as a result of a scandelous DVLA blunder. If
you bought a stolen bike supported by one of these documents do
you think the DVLA would compensate you?

riccip