Ducati Factory v Privateer?

Any Ducati experts here? If so, what's the difference between the 1098 F08
that Bayliss rides and the Ducati 1098RS that say, Biaggi rides?

ie. what bits does Bayliss get that a non-factory rider doesn't get?

Secondly, where does one find this info? The Ducati website and the WSB
website both leave a lot to be desired in this respect.

 

For starters they'll usually only supply generation -1 engines to
customers. Another major difference is factory support. The factory
team will have the use of all of the resources that the company and
factory has to offer, and the right to tinker with the engine. I think
you'll probably find that the customer team are delivered a sealed
engine which they're not allowed to open up or tinker (though part of
the engine deal might include engine technicians to do the work). The
engine builders don't want people tinkering with or modifying their
engines a) because they might ferk them up and give the company a bad
reputation and b) because they don't want their customers to outperform
them on the racetrack with custom mods.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

Nev.. wrote...

Sort of like Lanzi v Bayliss last night, huh?

 

Iain Chalmers wrote...

It also helps when all the faster guys don't end up crashing, either...

Perhaps they should base it on points awarded. ie. if the Dukes have say,
a 20 percent greater tally than the nearest Jap bikes, then have another
look at the handicaps.

Either that or allow the Jap bikes to run standard air intakes and other
components as fitted to production bikes...

 

Iain Chalmers wrote...

It's arguable whether Corser is faster than Lansi. Certainly he isn't
doing as well as his teammate, when his teammate finishes, that is. TB has
announced his retirement. Perhaps TC should do the same. Unless, of
course, he's taken on by an emerging team when or if Yamaha gives him the
flick. In which he may become another mid-to-rear fielder like when he was
silly enough to run with Foggy Petronas.

That appears to be based on race wins, not overall points, which is what I
was talking about. Look at Bayliss's lead over the others. That shows
clear dominance so far and there's only been what, 3 rounds run?

In any case, so far only Nev has addressed the original question - what's
the diff between the factory and the non-factory bikes (other than one has
directt factory support, while the others don't). And so far I've not seen
any clear answers to that. ie. exactly what mechanical or
electrical/electronic differences are there between the F08 and the RS
models? It seems like nothing has changed, really. At least with the Jap
bikes what you see is what you get.

 

I read this three times before I realised "Max" wasn't Biaggi and therefore
"Lanzi" was actually Checa.
Yep; the Suzooks and Checa's Honda certainly had the pace this weekend but
you have to wonder how hard Bayliss was trying (maybe 120% instead of the
normal 130%!)

 

I doubt that entirely!!
Not that the secrets of either the Japs or the Eyeties are readily available
but a big factor of the "deal" that allowed Ducati to run 1200cc was that
they weren't allowed the same level of modification as the 4cyl bikes.
Things like cams and valve-diameters as well as fuel-injection mods are the
usual suspects.

 

Knobdoodle wrote...

So, they produce them out of the box as a high end race spec bike, and one
that most punters can't afford to buy.

I'd still like to know what the technical specs for the F08 and the RS
models are (how they differ).

The class is supposed to be based on production bikes sold in the shops
with x number of mods allowed. So, how can Ducati be allowed to race bikes
that could be different to what other teams race and that could be
different from the $54k model that you and I can buy (if we could afford
one).

And yeah, I'd love to have one, if I could afford one. That's where the
Jap bikes differ. I can go out and buy what is essentially the same bike
as what Corser rides for about a third of the price of an equivalent
Ducati.

 

With about the same number of differences between it and a production bike
as you would see between
Mark Skaife's car and the thing on the floor at your Holden dealer.

Yeah, right. You still see sad sods riding around on Repsol Hondas.

Theo

 

Judging by the way first Biaggi on the Sterilgarda duke and then Lanzi on
the [write name here] duke have duffed-up Bayliss this year I'd say
bugger-all!
They're certainly a hell of a lot closer than Mugger's second-string Honda
team is to Checa's Honda or the second string Suzooks are to Neukirchner
etc.

 

The factory bikes run a newer version of ECU software. That's about
it.

Yes, and given how they're allowed to change forks, triple clamps,
wheels, brakes, swingarms, airboxes, porting, gearbox clusters,
compression ratio, engine management and the sesame seed bun, x = a
very large number.

Get off the crack... it's bad for you. Even those running at the arse
end of the field in World Superbike change wheels, forks, brakes and
shocks, and fit kit radiators, wiring looms, fuel cells and whatnot.
None of the bikes on track there are anything remotely like a
sportsbike you can buy... most of the parts *are* available from
tuners, fabricators and factory race departments, but don't expect
much change out of $80,000 to build up any stock streetbike to world
championship spec.

 

I believe Alistair Maxwell was riding a pretty stock Fireblade in the
WSBK at PI as a privateer a few years back and demonstrated how the
stock bike would run against the factory teams. From memory he only got
lapped once per race, which was handy, because it turned out that the
tank only held enough fuel for [race length -1] laps.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

Theo Bekkers wrote...

A V8 "Supercar" isn't based on production racing like say, the old Group E
category. In fact the cars that they do race don't even come off the
production line. Rather, they are assembled around a roll cage that is
incorporated into the car's structure and is done on what they call a
"spit", or a rotating spindle.

The only resemblence to a VE Commodore, for example, is the basic body
shape. And even then it's not the same dimensions as a VE. Apparently the
VE is larger in either width or length. So the race cars for that model
had to be shortened or made narrower so that the dimensions were the same
as the older VZ model.

All to do with "parity" with Ford, supposedly.

 

Geez, you learn something every day.

Or not. That was my whole point Snapper. It just looks like the shop model
on the outside, and from a distance.

Theo

 

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