Ducati Belts, for the Ducatisti

Ever wondered how strong they are?

 

Blimey

And yer sig sep's bust, btw.

 

No, it's Google Groups. They strip the space off the end.

BTW, I was round at Chris Bushell's yesterday, and mentioned
about his little bit in Classic Bike this month, only to be
flicking through a copy and to see your 750SS in there as
well. You should see the other half of his collection!

 

The Japanese have and fit chains.

They also looked at the advantages of desmodromic valve gear and
decided to fit springs.

Ducati - finding expensive, maintenance intensive solutions to
problems that don't exist.

 

Heh. "Honda VF".

If you'd have said "gear drive" you would have appeared
much, much smarter. ;-)

Funny how the Ducati MotoGP bikes rev higher than the Jap
bikes and don't suffer from valve bounce, whereas the Yamahas
are experimenting with pneumatic valves to keep up!

I don't see £40 every two years as expensive for replacing
belts, and it's hardly difficult to do either, let alone
intensive. If you've got the belt gauge it takes 10 minutes
to change the belts. Done as part of an all-round service
routine you'd hardly notice it.

 

Nice troll )

 

Expensive solution that was tried and abandoned 25 years ago.

Really, how many are in the shops ?

On road bikes both are totally irrelevant

Compared to a chain which effectively lasts the life of the bike and
doesn't snap destroying the engine.

Oh and the replacement period is rubbish as the ones in cars last 4
times as long and probably cost less to replace than your Ducati
dealer would charge.

 

Type 1 index finger?

<press>

"That's about right".

 

Show me a superbike that isn't expensive and intensive to maintain ?

This table of World Superbike Champions / FIM SBK / WSBK from 1988 to
2009 shows 16 to Ducati, 5 to Honda and one to Suzuki

http://www.motorsportsetc.com/champs/wsbk.htm

Analysis anyone ?

Such as ?

http://www.bluming.com/projects/desmo.htm
<fx: retard voice >
Pretty picture
<fx: pulls hook from mouth >

 

Or a camchain tensioner that fails?

Because the car belts are at least four times as long, and therefore
the load per tooth is a quarter. Oh, you didn't think of that.

There really is no limit to your ignorance, is there? Last year,
Classic Bike did a nice step-by-step article on Ducati belt
replacement which showed it could be done in half an hour, both belts.
There's a video on YouTube which shows it being done, in one take, and
the time was about nine minutes. Admittedly, on an engine out of the
bike and on a workbench stand, but still it's far quicker than the
ignorant[1] think.

[1] That's you, sweetie.

 

Ooh, I know this one: Ducati managed to get the rules set up to suit
them and they kept winning.

What do I win?

 

TOG@Toil wrote:

And if further evidence is needed, the cambelt service on my GT, while
officially at 72k, is generally recommended at rather a lot less than
that, and comes in at >£500 for an independent. Granted that includes
water pump, tensioners and so on, and it's the worst of the bunch, but
even the TS, which has *lots* more room, is >£400.

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Come on, you can do better than that. Italians may have a reputation for
being good at bribery but the Japanese are no stranger to the art
either. I doubt if one manufacturer could consistently manipulate the
system over 16 years.

<fx: foghorn>

 

An educated guess on how much strength a 2 year old / 12.000 miles used
one typically has lost?

 

Not quite true - the ST1100 belt requires changing every 90,000.

Steve

 

Done the belt on the Nordwest yet? The spring-loaded arrangement on
those makes tensioning pretty foolproof.

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Really, and how many Hondas have gear cam drive now ?

The only ones that did were road legal racing bikes, a few home market
400s and the first VFR750 (which were only fitted to convince the
public Honda could make a V4 that didn't blow up. Later ones reverted
to cam chains)

The sound of which is "rattle" "rattle" "oh dear, that needs a simple
and cheap fix"

Compared to the sound of a belt failing which is

"Bang !", "Here Mr Ducati Dealer have a couple of grand"

and you seem to have forgotten the loading on a spring driven 4
cylinder valve train if far greater than on a single cylinder desmo
head.

Classic Bike also does articles on looking after shite old British
twins. They're badly designed unreliable lumps too.

A belt change on my car happens at 60,000 miles and costs 120quid
parts and labour. A Ducai 748R needs 20 belts fitted at that mileage.

The approximate cost of routine servicing of a camchain including
parts, labour, and vat is bugger all in a time of zero minutes

 

Am I missing something here. You seem to be arguing that you are an idiot
for buying a car that uses a cam belt. By your bike logic you should have
one with a chain.

Or, of course, is it just a matter of the scale of the cost? That suggests
you simply don't choose to afford a bike that uses belts. That's perfectly
reasonable but a little strange to then go round telling others how to spend
their money when you choose to do it in your car.

 

72,000 miles is 6 Ducati 996 belt changes at 70 quid for parts each
time.

So thats 420 quid even if you do it yourself.

 

I've said this before. You need to find a new tame mechanic.

200 quid for a belt change and service here.