Drop in fuel mileage

turned?

Well, if we're supposed to judge according to the evidence, the
best theory would seem to be that God's favorite critter was the
cockroach, and he really wanted THEM to thrive...

Bob M.

 

Actually, I understand those basic beliefs quite well (and I
suspect I understand the basic beliefs of quite a few more
religions than you, but I really have no way to tell).

Those who use the "just a theory" defense have basically no idea
what the word "theory" means in a scientific context. The models
we have for gravity, electromagnetic phenomena, etc., etc., are
ALL "just" theories, and yet we get along quite well treating them
as "true" (at least in the sense of being a model which explains the
observed evidence well, and is of predictive value in further
scientific investigation). A "theory," in science, is NEVER proven;
the best the one can ever hope for is that a given model survives
repeated attempts to DISprove it. Which, unfortunately, has not
been the case for the alternatives so far presented here.

Actually, there's verifiable "proof " that we've been around considerably
longer than that - or, to use the correct term, evidence - and that
same evidence strongly suggests that yes, we HAVE in fact evolved.
We apparently continue to do so to some degree, even over the very
short period of time that anyone has actually been keeping records,
although it's also apparent that humans (unlike other species) have also
to a large degree taken control of their own evolutionary path, through
the influence of medicine.

What's always overlooked here is that evolution is actually NOT the
theory - evolution is the observation; we see evidence of earlier forms
of life which are not the same as those current forms which are clearly
related but different. Somehow, something has changed, and we refer
to that OBSERVED change as "evolution." The theory (or at least one
of the theories which have been proposed to account for this change)
is called "natural selection."

True. And note that I'm not trying to deny you your beliefs. I'm
simply pointing out some errors in the arguments.

Bob M.

 

Oh, dear, you're not that bright, are you?

Answer: yes, we have evolved in that time. We've got noticeably taller
and generally larger, as a species.

A mere 40 centuries is an impossibly short time in evolution, anyway.
Something like 100 generations. You can now trace mankind and its
ancestors back something like 500,000 years and on that sort of
timeframe, *yes*, we have evolved considerably.

Would you like a target painted on your foot, so you can aim at it even
more accurately?

 

Yup. I'm with William of Ockham on this.

 

Please re-read the above, more carefully. You can "prove" that
gravity exists (more accurately, you can demonstrate that an
attractive force is present between two masses, at the time of the
observation, which behaves in pretty good agreement with the
predictions of the current models for gravity), but that's not "proving
the theory." You have made an observation; the results of that
observation are evidence, or data. The "theory," however, in
the context of a scientific discussion, is simply the model which
attempts to explain how the observed phenomenon works, very
often in a form which can be expressed mathematically, and which
should have predictive abilities (i.e., you should be able to use the
model to calculate how other examples of this "gravity" thing will
behave). But don't ever confuse the observation/evidence with
the theory.

And for still others, life is a journey of at least as much "exploration
and wonderment," but which simply does not include the
belief in such a "supreme being." There are more than two options
here.

Bob M.

 

You have said nothing that comes even close to convincing me.

I hope to have fun 'while it lasts' and Iv'e got a few years left.

As for hell, if everyone who isn't a Christian (remember it's the Jews
who are 'the chosen ones'....not ALL Christians) ends up there, all the
Islamic militants, all the godless criminals...everyone, basically who
doesn't agree with you......How long do you think the 'majority' of
souls would put up with it, before they stormed heaven?

I wish you luck too, but i belive you are going in the ground and the
worms will have you (unless you go for cremation, then you'll just be dust).

Do you believe in angels.......

 

I believe in angels...

Something good in everyone I see....

 

An angel is 'goodness' in someone?

 

Oh, Jesus. Google using the above quote and "Abba", why don't you?

 

Praying already, or rolling your eyes.

I'm really not an Abba fan....you are showing your age, old man.

 

I have a dream

--
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It's religion, not relegion and descended, not decinded. I could go on
with all the mistakes in just this post alone. Typical fundamentalist
with very little actual knowledge.

--
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I can unequivocally state that I know more than you. Your spelling and
grammar is atrocious at best, and you've not given single argument to
show that religious belief of creation isn't "just a theory" itself.

--
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Odinn wrote:

Odinn, supreme god, father of all.......thank you for your input.

 

Glad to oblige

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We have certainly evolved some immunities. You see any number of
examples where one population has evolved a resistance to a given
disease while another one will be decimated by it when the two
cultures meet.

While we're at it, why are you so certain there's any proof we've
been around for 4000 plus years ? Seems to me that an all-powerful
deity could have created it last week if He cared to.

If God created a tree, would the tree have rings ? If so, how old
would it be ?

 

Interesting. I'd like to see a proof of electomagnetizium. Whatever
that is. I guess I'd also like to see a dictionary entry for therory.

If there is a supreme being, and he wants to guide us, why does he not
use signposts? In a language we can understand and agree on?

Al Moore
DoD 734

 

I have 5 dollars and 44 cents in one pocket.

pierce

 

ants. He loves ants best.

 

I guess you're not an Abba fan.

(I hope I got the lyrics right, TOG will correct me if I don't)

I have a dream, a song to sing
To help me cope with anything
If you see the wonder of a fairy tale
You can take the future even if you fail
I believe in angels
Something good in everything I see
I believe in angels
When I know the time is right for me
I’ll cross the stream - I have a dream

I have a dream, a fantasy
To help me through reality
And my destination makes it worth the while
Pushing through the darkness still another mile
I believe in angels
Something good in everything I see
I believe in angels
When I know the time is right for me
I’ll cross the stream - I have a dream
I’ll cross the stream - I have a dream

I have a dream, a song to sing
To help me cope with anything
If you see the wonder of a fairy tale
You can take the future even if you fail
I believe in angels
Something good in everything I see
I believe in angels
When I know the time is right for me
I’ll cross the stream - I have a dream
I’ll cross the stream - I have a dream

--
Odinn
RCOS #7
SENS(less)

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
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