Do they think we're morons?

The Canterville Ghost - Oscar Wilde... Sums up my feelings very well
at the moment.

 

Verdigris wrote

I think you both miss the point. The two main parties are as far apart
as ever they were. That simply has not changed.

What has changed is; the issues which separated them in the first place
are no longer issues. We have clean water, pension funds and plenty to
consume. All the big two are doing these days are nit picking over the
details while the likes of Libdems and the greens are picking up an ever
increasing number of hearts and minds amongst those democrats still
active.

Be prepared to see one or both Labour and Tory as the 4th or 5th
smallest parties in the house in an election or two into the future.
Especially if the Libdems end up holding the balance of power this time
round and force PR on the others.

 

Okay, you've avoided the 'out of context' bit again.

Yes, primarily to spread the news of the kingdom. No reason why they
shouldn't do that in the political spectrum as much as any other.

The particular context was fighting to save Christ from the authorities.

Incidentally, how do you explain Luke 36 - 38?
(For those bothering to read who don't want ot look it up - it's the bit
where Jesus tells his disciples to get swords)

Okay, within reason I'll take that as a "yes". Good.

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Phil Launchbury wrote:

You might have mentioned this before and I've missed it, but can I ask
what group / denomination you are a member of?

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John

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On this point, it will suprise you not at all to find that I am with Ben
on this.

You have quoted verses, but none of them really make the point.

Some, out of context, wiht a twist, give the appearance of supporting
your view.

If you could only give a solid reasoned argument for your view I would
be able to say "fine, I don't agree, but at least I can see how the
argument holds together". So far you have not managed this.

When the view is so firmly held, and of such importance, I do consider
this to be quite a failing.

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and naked

 

Not *always*. It's an interpretation that is disputed.

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John

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Yes, and interestingly, in the psalms, David only talks of going down to
the grave, where there is nothing.

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John

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Black it is
and naked

 

Did he? Well, he might have a point.
Doesn't mean it didn't happen, though.

No, let's not do that one.

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John

SV650
Black it is
and naked

 

Phil as an individual? All that's negative about all religion? Oh come
on, that's the kind of lazy explanation of underlying philosophy that
can lead to assumptions.

 

You slung that phrase around out of context before. You really should
be a bit more controlled about this.

Is that all of us?

For the time being I'll assume not and ignore the following paragraph.

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A choice between almost identically unpleasant alternatives is pretty much
no choice.

Aye

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My parents would disagree. Alright, they do have pensions, but nothing that
they can actually live on.

Seem fair comment. What I find most objectionable about the bit two is that
they continually slag each other off. I have no interest at all in what
Blair thinks of Howard's plans, or vice versa. If they'd get on and tell
me what they actually intend to do, they might get me to vote for them.
Unlikley, though

I really hope that happens.
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Okay, I'm not too worried about that clarification.

Okay, I can go along with that.

I wasn't talking about politics there. I was pointing out that whilst
on the one hand they were strangers and aliens in the world, with
differrent attitudes, that did not prevent them from engaging in many of
the activities common to man.

The ycould have decided to live poor, for example.

Well, I meant the list of people it mentioned actually.
Not all of the kings were appointed in such a way: some were kings
because their dads were before them.

The point being, that they engaged in the politics of their day whilst
being strangers and aliens.

I don't entirely agree with you there, but it's not an important enough
point to pursue.

The problem with this misquote is that it throws a very different light
on the matter. You yourself have pointed out in another post how a
slight alteration can change meaning considerably.

So, his followers _are_ of this world?

[snip for brevity]

True. But that doesn't stop you being involved in politics.
You don't have to serve anything to do that.

well obviously.

I was also refering to the frequency with which you use quotes absented
from their original context. This I would count as being inaccurate
quoting.

for example, here's a biblical quote (though paraphrased)
"Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrowwe die"
So, to obey god's word I should feast, drink, be drunk and do nothing
other than enjoy life, as that is all there is.

As above.
With a little 'poetic licence'.


--
John

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and naked

 

That would be a known known, then?

 

But it belonged to the Palestinians until they were forcibly removed.

It's equivalent to North American tribes reclaiming the USA ... like
that might happen

.... but they have just as much right

Because they claim it is their promised land, does that give them any
more right to it in recent history ? I don't think so

 

Surely if you feel that strongly about it, you should dedicate yourself
to campaigning against weapons manufacturers and other immoral
businesses.

Have you ever done any positive campaigning in that direction, or do you
just avoid working for them ?

Surely, you should be "going out into the world" and doing your best to
make a positive difference

 

I bet you couldn't. If you pay over and above what they think you owe,
you'll get a cheque back

AFAIK there's no mechanism for voluntary tax payments, it just has to
agree with their bottom line

Don't you just love the IR ? (I just got a cheque out of the blue for a
£6000 overpayment which I didn't even know about)

 

Why?

"Because the Bible says so" will not be accepted.

 

Knocking those who spout beliefs that don't conform to conventionaly
wisdom has long been the ukrm way, as you well know. Whether it's
ceramic cylinder liners, well screwed together Nortons or a bizarre
and uncaring god.

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Catman wrote

Well you parents are stupid. Ask your grandparents and great
grandparents how the plight of the common man has improved in the last
hundred years. All of which have been under the control of "the left"
and "the right".

Yebbut what is left for them to do? The labour party formed on the
backs of the poverty of the working man and thanks to their efforts and
good Tory consumerist economic policies we are no longer poor but
supporting, though work, co-operation and endeavour a thriving growing
economy and an equally thriving society. We are rich beyond the wildest
dreams of our forefathers and getting richer by the minute.

Are you really sure? Have you thought through the implications or have
you just said, "yeah, a bit of a change might be good?"