Do they think we're morons?

Firstly - the two situations are not analogous so it's a null point.

Secondly - I would try to.

Phil

 

In a very unlikely position.

I mean - where would we be if everybody obeyed the law in all things?
It's about as likely.

Phil

 

I think it works everywhere, from monarchy to democracy. You can't be a nice
guy and still have the killer instinct it takes to become the ruler of a
country or even a big corporation.

IMHO, of course.

 

They must do as their conscience dictates - just as I do. In other
words - I respect their right to come to a different conclusion to me
and live their lives as they see fit.

Phil.

 

My rationale has nothing to do with how others behave and everything to
do with how I think *I* ought to behave.

I don't refuse to vote "because others do it for me".

Phil

 

I have. Read on further.

Phil

 

I know the general slant of it (as does any Millenialist Christian).
The details? Not a clue.

I know that I am not fully part of human society. And therefore not
entitled to vote (and for other reasons as expressed before).

Follow Gods laws to the best of my ability?

Phil

 

Ah yes - the one that the US foaming-at-the-mouth survivalists trot
out.

It has one huge hole in it - it assumes no action or control by God.

Phil

 

So, if I get this correctly, what you're saying is that anytime something
bad happens, it's because God is a ****?

Right?

 

The "general slant" does not include who to vote for and who not, which is why
you should use your judgement. It may be that God wants you to vote in favour
of his candidate.

You are as fully part of human society as anybody else.

 

It's not just FATM types that use it; it has to be said they may not use
it in quite the context it was intended.

On the subject of holes, I think you may have a teensy weeny one in your
thinking.

 

head.

 

So I misread your posts where you were saying that its your duty as a
Christian?

Oh no, you're not saying that there's grounds for interpretation, are
you?

I'm not sure *you* want to be saying that.

 

Much obliged.

 

No. It is what *I* consider to be my duty as a Christian. They may see
it differently.

One day we will find out who was correct.

For how we behave personally? Yes. I would be the first to admit I am
very very far from perfect - both in knowledge and behaviour.

In fact the Bible covers it quite well when it discusses the problem of
people eating meat that had been offered to idol. Some early Christians
ate it quite happily knowing that idols were nothing and so the fact
that the meat had been offered to them was meaningless.
Others were quite upset thinking that it was wrong.

So that is one case where individual interpretation definitively can
differ - and neither is wrong.

Having said that I don't necessarily agree with their actions - but I
can respect the fact that they do them as the result of their
conscience and leave God to judge which of us is correct.

For theology? On some things - yes. On others - no.

Phil

 

I'm one of those for whom it seems pointless. Persuade me otherwise.
I live (currently) in one of the safest Tory seats, Penrith & the
Border - lots of farmers, increasing numbers of affluent former
Southerners. I do not like the Conservative Party, and have lost
faith with Labour; the Liberal Democrats are irrelevant here. If I
vote Labour, the Conservative candidate will win. If I vote Lib-Dem,
the Conservative candidate will win. If I vote Conservative, the
Conservative candidate will win. If I do not vote at all, the
Conservative candidate will win. Therefore it appears that my vote is
unnecessary and ineffective.

 

I'm sure He'd forgive you. It's what He does, surely?

 

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I admit to being lazy, but I have to walk/ride/drive past my local
polling station 3 or 4 times daily (ykwim), so it's easy enough to pop
in - the bloke at the door even looks after the dog for me if I'm
walking.

I vote on principle; the principle is "because I can". For whom is
between me and the returning officer, as I've already stated the end
result is the same anyway, so it matters little.

 

I reach this conclusion by noting that nowhere in the bible is there any
line which forbids it. You have not succeeded in providing such a
quote. You have given quotes to back up you position, and which _could_
be interpreted to that end. But it's not explicit.

You've said in another post that others draw different conlusions.

True. Can you find me a quote where it says that people shouldn't be
involved in the process of choosing a leader, then?

Um, but wouldn't people come under the category of forbidden meats?

Hmmmm, didn't realise you were simply playing the odds.
Doesn't his tend to suggest that you do agree with my statement that
this is a man made conclusion?

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