Do routers just "wear out" over time.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Salad Dodger, May 15, 2011.

  1. Salad Dodger

    Salad Dodger Guest

    I keep getting "no connection" messages, but it's all good when I
    apply the default IT helpdesk solution.

    It's a Netgear DG834G if that makes any difference.
     
    Salad Dodger, May 15, 2011
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    Cab Guest

    Well, I suppose so, yes. But the MTBF of a piece of electronics with no
    moving parts will be a bloody long time in general.
     
    Cab, May 15, 2011
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    B 650 Guest

    Generally true, but sometimes there are manufacturing issues which bring
    on failure quicker than one would normally expect. I had a Linksys
    router a few years ago that failed after about 2 years, a bit of
    googling suggested that many others had the same problem, with a number
    of suggestions about poor heat dissipation causing failure of the
    ethernet controller chip after 2 years or so.
     
    B 650, May 15, 2011
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  4. Salad Dodger

    wessie Guest

    Is it getting very hot when it locks up? I find sitting routers on the
    narrow end allows better heat dissipation. Be* provide a little plastic
    foot to do this with their Thomson Bebox.

    The other thing is your phone line quality. I had annoying reconnections
    when I first transferred to Be*'s LLU. The BT phone line between me & the
    exchange was the root cause, but BT didn't do anything about it until I
    complained about the noise on the voice line.
    You'd think so, wouldn't you. However, my tiny little empire in Xerox, well
    more of a parish, processed shedloads of returned printed circuits to
    upgrade them due to dodgy components. Batches of poorly made capacitors
    were favourite.
     
    wessie, May 15, 2011
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  5. Not really wear out, but the electrolytic capacitors can fail. This will
    make it lock up more and more, and eventually fail. Sometimes the PSU
    brick will get hot as it tries to cope with the extra leakage current.

    I found a DG824 doing just this:

    http://www.piglet-net.net/pigblog/?p=702
     
    Chris Bartram, May 15, 2011
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    ogden Guest

    I had a DG834N that eventually started locking up and needed to be left
    unplugged for ten minutes or so before it'd reboot.

    They do seem to wear out, so to speak. I replaced mine with a dirt cheap
    TP-Link and it's turned out to be streets ahead of the Netgear in every
    way. Slight quirk with the routing table but other than that absolutely
    faultless.
     
    ogden, May 15, 2011
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  7. Salad Dodger

    wessie Guest

    you on Be* still? Did you try the Bebox or dismiss it? I'm surprised,
    despite it being Thomson, that it seems to work reasonably well. It's
    worked with all my kit & all visitors have connected to it with various
    wifi devices.
     
    wessie, May 15, 2011
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  8. Salad Dodger

    ogden Guest

    I've got it as a spare. Won't throw it away as they reckon they want it
    back if ever I leave. It's alright, but not brilliant, which pretty much
    sums up Thomson/Speedtouch devices all over.
     
    ogden, May 15, 2011
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  9. Salad Dodger

    Cab Guest

    I suppose I should have said usual caveats apply.
     
    Cab, May 15, 2011
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    boots Guest

    It seems that pretty much every router I've had from various
    manufacturers has packed in after around a year of continuous use. A
    power cycle usually restores everything until the next time,
    unfortunately the next times get closer and closer together until it's
    a daily occurrence or worse.
     
    boots, May 16, 2011
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    Ace Guest

    My netgear (same model as OP's, IIRC) worked flawlessly, 24/7, for 4
    anna bit years. Only replaced now 'cos the orange VOIP service I'v had
    since Feb comes wiv a wireless box of its own.
     
    Ace, May 16, 2011
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    boots Guest

    The one I have now is some Netgear cable one, not sure of the model it
    came as part of the FTTC trial along with a separate modem. Only had
    it a few months so time will tell if it's any better than the various
    Linksys, Belkin[1], BT, Solwise etc that I've had up to now.

    [1] That failed within a few weeks.
     
    boots, May 16, 2011
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    antonye Guest

    I've been through a couple of DG834Gs masquerading as mini Sky boxes.

    They do seem to have a problem and mine start to get a "negative"
    noise margin (click the Show Statistics button from the router
    status page if you can login) and at that point it slows to a crawl
    or locks up completely.

    This one has been running for about a year and has now started
    doing it as well, so I'm tempted to bin it and buy another one...
    you can usually pick them up on ebay as Sky routers for under a fiver
    and then just reflash them back to DG834Gs in minutes.

    The problem is that out of all the routers I've had, the Netgear
    interface just seems to have a lot more than the others, and
    just *works*, rather than missing all the features I want.
     
    antonye, May 16, 2011
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    Ivan D. Reid Guest

    Nick, I've got a DG834GT sitting here idle since Orange sent me
    a LiveBox, if you want it. It never gave me trouble. You know where I am now.

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    Ivan D. Reid, May 17, 2011
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  15. In my experience yes. Even though it makes no sense at all.

    Fraser
     
    Fraser Johnston, May 18, 2011
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  16. That's pretty much my experience so far. Brands tried include, Linksys,
    Netgear, Netcomm and D-Link. Even Cisco gear seems to shit itself after
    a few years.

    Fraser
     
    Fraser Johnston, May 18, 2011
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  17. Salad Dodger

    Salad Dodger Guest

    That sounds technical to me.
    Talking of which, if I got another, would all my settings remain as
    is, or would I need to reinstall everything?
     
    Salad Dodger, May 18, 2011
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  18. Salad Dodger

    Salad Dodger Guest

    I may take you up that, Dr R. Cheers.
     
    Salad Dodger, May 18, 2011
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    boots Guest

    There's usually an option to back up settings to a file. Then if you
    get the same model just restore the backup.
     
    boots, May 18, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    Depends on your ISP. With Virgin I had to have a username & password stored
    in the ADSL modem/router so that it would authenticate. With Be* you just
    plug any old modem/router into the BT socket and it just works.

    You shouldn't need to change anything on your PC.

    You can tinker with settings on the router to do "stuff" but I doubt you
    would need to bother yourself with that shit.
     
    wessie, May 18, 2011
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