DIY soda blasting gun: new video from Garage Night TV

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Waz, Apr 7, 2010.

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    Waz, Apr 7, 2010
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  2. Hang your baking soda bucket up and take a feed out of the bottom -
    blast in an half oil drum and shovel up the caught b.s. to go back in
    the bucket (with some filtering, natch). I'd also put a stopcock in the
    downfeed pipe.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Apr 7, 2010
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    Waz Guest

    Good advice. I was thinking of attaching the feed hose to a large
    funnel, then putting the baking soda in a fine sieve in the mouth of
    said funnel. Hopefully the soda wouldn't start to flow through until
    the suction begins, and then when it did flow it would be quite fine
    and mixed with air. A stopcock would help further to control things.

    We've got a rudimentary sandblasting cabinet and Trent informs me he's
    obtained some sort of gizmo that we can try out to help with flow.

    Thanks for the comments,

    Waz
    http://www.garagenight.tv
     
    Waz, Apr 7, 2010
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    atec7 7 Guest

    Not exactly new after all and kinda messy when you can purchase a tidy
    little kit but thanks for the link
    http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/tools/air-tools.aspx?id=187
    I have been using walnut shell and soda for 30 odd years with good
    results and certainly with the right gear at 8>10cfm paint removal from
    body panels is easy and saves hours of work , just remember the right
    medium and not sand ( silicoses will kill you) and a cheap polishing kit
    for the alloy helps maintain the lustre
     
    atec7 7, Apr 8, 2010
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    Waz Guest

    Hmmm, who said it was anything new? And yes, it's rough and ready, but
    surely good enough for someone who's doing one-off jobs now and then.

    I have heard good things about walnut shell polishing.

    May you polish for another 30 years.

    Waz
    http://www.garagenight.tv
     
    Waz, Apr 8, 2010
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    antonye Guest

    Heh, having posted the instructions here about 6 months ago,
    I still haven't got round to making one myself to clean up
    the carbs I have for my latest project.

    Good to see it working, but I'd be interested to know where
    you got such a huge tub of soda from, and how much it cost?
     
    antonye, Apr 8, 2010
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    antonye Guest

    Ah, of course. I did buy a big 1L jar of it from Makro last
    time I was there, to apply liberally if I splashed any
    sulphuric acid about from anodising (see other garagenight.tv
    thread!) but that was the biggest they did.
     
    antonye, Apr 8, 2010
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    Pip Guest

    This is the cheapest I can find, huge tub but works out to ~£2/Kg
    delivered. We could always chip in and UR it around the country ....
     
    Pip, Apr 8, 2010
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    Steve Guest

    Steve, Apr 8, 2010
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    paul c Guest

    It may be an old technique but it's new to me, have got to try it on
    some old parts. When I was a kid, lots of people used it for
    toothpaste. All I've used it for is to get ladies' hair out of drains
    by adding vinegar to it (price of discount white vinegar here about CAD
    2 for 4 litres).


    I suppose 2 pounds per kg is about a pound for a pound. Seems a high
    price even though Brit' prices often make the USD and the GBP seem equal
    as far as what they'll buy goes, not sure haven't been there lately.
    West coast Canuck dollar stores sell the stuff (Arm and Hammer brand) at
    CAD 1 for 500 g, ie. about a 'nuck buck for a pound, sometimes half that
    price. Central Canada prices are usually much lower (West coast canucks
    generally too dumb or lazy to make anything for themselves). I imagine
    US discount prices are even lower. Coca-cola is about the same price as
    gasoline here, apparently gas is cheaper than Coke in the US. Decent
    olive oil is usually more than ten times the price of either except for
    a few big eastern cities that have sizeable 'little Italy's'. Canadian
    cheddar is very expensive in Canada because of federal production
    quotas, most of which are assigned to Quebec, three-thousand miles from
    the west coast. Much cheaper in US but tiny import quotas also apply.
    So it's expensive to be a canuck who likes canuck cheddar.


    I think I'll just buy a few or ten pounds of the stuff, cut some holes
    in a cardboard fruit box, lay a sheet of thin plastic on top, duct tape
    some rubber gloves to two big holes, another hole for the hose, hang a
    pail and hose overhead and when the pail is empty, just pour the used
    stuff back in to pail and re-use it.


    Anyway, is some sodium-bi-carb more abrasive than others?
     
    paul c, Apr 9, 2010
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    Waz Guest

    I think the 5kg tub cost me £6 from See Woo oriental foods in
    Greenwich, London, UK. Dirt cheap. I'm pretty sure See Woo is a chain
    throughout the UK.

    I could have got 12kg for a tenner as a box of 4x3kg bags but decided
    not to, just in case the process didn't work.

    I'd try any big Chinese/oriental food store in any part of the world;
    you'd probably have better luck at one that's big enough to supply the
    local Chinese restaurant trade as well as retail.

    Another UK chain to try is Wing Yip.

    I believe bicarbonate of soda is also sold as a pH balancer for
    swimming pools and it can be got as cheap, or cheaper, as the stuff I
    bought. Trent was talking about a 20kg bag for a tenner. I'd be more
    cautious about protecting my eyes/mouth with that stuff because it's
    not necessarily food grade and it might be 'cut' with other chemicals!

    Remember it's baking SODA, not powder. The latter contains egg albumen
    and all sorts of other crap.

    Waz
    http://www.garagenight.tv
     
    Waz, Apr 9, 2010
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    antonye Guest

    Yes, I did have a quick Google and found the same (and a supply on
    ebay), although didn't think about the chemical differences to food
    grade soda.

    One thing you didn't mention about using baking soda as opposed to
    walnut shells (or other media) which is really worth highlighting, is
    that baking soda will dissolve in water so it's safe to use with
    things like carb bodies as you can simply wash the part afterwards
    to remove any soda, and stop it blocking feed tubes and the like,
    which you obviously can't do with walnut shells.
     
    antonye, Apr 9, 2010
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    Waz Guest

    Hi Antony, I did mention exactly that in the blog post that
    accompanies the video - but not in the video itself, you're right.

    Waz
    http://www.garagenight.tv
     
    Waz, Apr 9, 2010
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    antonye Guest

    That'll teach me for not paying attention ;-)
     
    antonye, Apr 9, 2010
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    Waz Guest

    Never mind, it's good to know actually. Helps us work out how much
    detail to pack into the videos. I sometimes think 'I'll edit that out
    and mention it in the blogpost' but the stuff about carbs and water
    solubility is definitely a piece of info that could/should have been
    in the vid.
     
    Waz, Apr 9, 2010
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    S'mee Guest

    Nice and with a little effort you can set up to recover the soda for
    resuse. Might give that a try for the hubs on an old T-500 and the
    spokes and the rims...heh tis a nasty gnarly condition it's in.
     
    S'mee, Apr 10, 2010
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