Differences between F and G '6R

Anybody know how much of an improvement the later model is over the previous
one? I'm considering buying my mate's G1 to replace my F2, if he hasn't sold
it by trade-in time. I reckon I'd be able to buy it for about what I could
sell mine for, so it'd effectively be a free upgrade, but I can't be arsed
with the hassle of selling mine unless I'll be getting a decent performance
improvement.

Cheers me dears.

 

I had a pootle on it last night, but it was pissing with rain, so I didn't
really get a chance to see what the differences were. In any case, I intend
to use it on the track frequently, and it's there that the differences will
really show up.

 

Not that i'm any sort of track expert, and it may be comparing apples
and pears, but I was spanking a thundercat on my track day on the
Firestorm, but was equally-but-not-quite getting spanked out of the
corners by the (newer) SV1000's.

I'd be tempted to get something more powerful, since you seem to be
used to that 6R. Why not get an old blade for trackday use ?

Cheers

Paul.

 

Now therein lies my dilemma - do I have a practically free upgrade to a
_slightly_ better machine, or save my pennies and spend maybe a grand or so
on the next level up? Bearing in mind, of course, that I have another, very
expensive and much more essential purchase to make as well.

 

Sure, i'm well aware i'm no track day god, especially in the wet, I was
just commenting for a given and equal corner speed, the sv's seemed to
have the edge on grunt when pulling out of the apex.

Maybe I just needed to carry more corner speed, but after seeing the
bloke lob his bike, we all backed off a tad in the corners !

Cheers

Paul.

 

Err, if the upgrade is as goods as free, do it, AND save your pennies,
then sell the upgraded version and get the litrebike.

Oh? is that a congratulations in order or something?



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Decision was made for me in the end - someone else bought it, for a
closer-to-market-value figure than I was planning to. He got a few bit more
cash and I kept my space in the garage. Everyone's a winner.

Yep - got engaged to Sally last weekend (and *eek*)

 

Is it actually possible to crash simply through having 'too much corner
speed' - i.e. the tyres would let-go before anything started grounding-out?
Obviously in theory it is, but on a track, with warm (half-decent) tyres and
a neutral throttle, is the tyre grip ever likely to be the limiting factor?

 

Ah - that pretty much answers the question I asked in my earlier post in
this thread. Have you ever heard of tyres just 'running out of grip', with
neither gravel / oil, or some ham-fisted brake / throttle action involved?

 

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:46:56 +0100, "Monkey"

Congrats to both of you. How much do you have to make her drink before
you asked her?

 

I'm amazed she said yes.

Cane will be disappointed.

 

Monkey scribbled:

They must do, otherwise you could just tip the bike in at any speed and
as long as you kept a neutral throttle it'd make it round.

The tighter the corner, the more sideways force the tyre has to cope
with, so there'll always be a speed limit for a particular radius bend
before the sideways force exceeds the tyres grip and it lowsides.

If you kept on going round a roundabout at the same speed the tyres
wouldn't loose grip.

 

Ta. I dragged her up a mountain before asking, so I guess the exhaustion
must've addled her brain a bit. Walking down again after drinking the bottle
of champagne I'd lugged up there with me was interesting.

 

She actually said 'of course'. Which was nice.

You thought so too?

 

yep !

We were riding on a damp track, so we sent the Advanced and
intermediates out 1st to dry the track out a bit.

Have to say, I was amazed at the grip, and didn't once have anything
step out, front or rear, so I clearly wasn't either a) trying hard
enough or b) taking the bike/tyres anywhere near the limit !

The rear was chirping on the downshift, so it was possible to break
traction, but it's all a process of learning innit.

TBH, I learnt more on that wet day about bike control and smooth
clutch/brake/throttle than I would ever have done in the dry ..

Cheers

Paul.

 

Not just Cane. Tho I'm fairly sure our reasons differ.

 

PB tried to test this some years ago. They set Ronnie to riding round
a mocked up roundabout at Bruntingthorpe, with the aim of going faster
and faster until he crashed. They used a couple of bikes - a Suzuki
250 import (Wolf? Goose? Something like that), and a ZXR750.

The 250 did fall off the edge of its tyres. It lost the front first,
and just slide away.

The 750 was slightly more complictaed. It was the back that went
first; Ronnie was so used to losing grip at the back that he couldn't
stop himself correcting (by change of steering and throttle) and kept
catching the slide (by basically pulling the bike upright).
Eventually he turned off his internal systems and crashed it properly.

Anyway, to address your point - tyres have x amount of grip, which
will essentially allow the bike to brake, accelerate, or change
direction (corner). Once in a steady speed corner, the tyres are only
doing one thing, and so it's fairly hard to crash doing that.
Normally one crashes when asking the tyre to do two things - either
when turning into, or accelerating out of, the corner.

 

Damn^h^h^h^I mean congratulations!


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Interesting stuff - ta. It's just that I've been told on several occasions
that its pretty easy on most modern sportsbikes / tyres, to get the pegs and
other bits touching down with no drama. That equated to me to mean that the
tyres were rarely the limiting factor, and you'd reach a maximum corner
speed limited by max. lean angle before the tyres let go. Personally I think
I'd reach the limit of my bottle a long time before that happened.

 

Monkey scribbled:

Ah, I see what you are getting at now.

I can happily say that an 'onda Africa Twin runs off the edge of the
tyre, and then stops cornering any tighter, no matter how much more you
lean it :~)