Did Arnold Schwarzenegger pass the idiotic CA DMV motorcyclelicense test?

That's an interesting point.

What is the minimum circle possible in some big bore street bikes?

I just googled for "BMW K1200LT turning radius", which is what I have,
and realized this is difficult information to find.

Is there a way to calculate the turning radius from the wheelbase?

Anyway, I did find a discussion on a BMW forum specific to the California
DMV riding test where nobody on the forum had claimed to pass the test on
their bike.

Forum: i-BMW.com
Title: California DMV Riding Test
Date: 06-09-2010
URL: http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?p=343974

It's interesting that folks here, on the big wide anonymous usenet,
"claim" to pass easily on big-bore bikes while they're munching on a
donut, but bike enthusiasts on the forums, where everyone knows each
other a bit better, don't seem to lie as much. In fact, those enthusasts
who trust one another can't seem to pass the DMV test on their K1200RS
bikes.

Don't believe me? Read the forum. I provided the URL.

Seems to me the truth is in the forums where guys don't lie as much as
they did in this thread.

 

It's also a lie that was told by Krusty. (And you should have known
better than to use him for a reference.)

If you'd read the entire thread you'd already know that.

Turning circle on a Harley Electraglide is 16'. Much less than the
22' cited for the test circle.

"Difficult"? If you own one it would only take you about 30 seconds
and a tape measure to find out. Simply walk the bike in a circle at
full steering lock and measure the result.

(The turning circle would actually be somewhat less than that if you
were riding instead of walking; but let's leave that aside.)

Of course not. It's the degree of your front wheel's maximum
deflection that is the main factor in determining minimum turning
radius, not the wheelbase.

Sigh. Another "If I can't do it then youre lying" dweeb.

Come to California and watch it happen, little troll.

 

Hummm. You're either insane or even more computer illiterate than I;
which isn't easy.

I'm posting from my home in Redlands California, and always have.

Perhaps you're a fruit-loop?

 

Don't see too many of those on reeky. Nosiree Bob.
One every two or three minutes, tops.

 

Half of all reekyites are fruit loops, but they're in denial...

The question remains as to whether or not Schwarzenegger ever passed
the DMV
performance test.

It would be so *easy* for reekyites to simply say, "I don't know," or
to remain silent, but they cannot resist putting down the OP and
endlessly arguing.

 

And anyone with half a brain and a working web browser could very
quickly find the answer to that:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/us/07arnold.html

Bob M.

 

Looks like the guvanator can pass the test after not riding for six
months, and even though his last ride was in a hack, and ended in a
crash!

How hard could the test *be* ???

 

Answer: Too hard for either Krusty or Joe.

Prediction: Joe will reply that the Gubernator didn't "really" pass
the test, and will demand visual proof that he did so.

Further prediction: Someone will eventually provide that proof, and
Joe will reply that the film "isn't to be believed", and that the
whole thing is a conspiracy to force him to give his money to the
Communist-inspired MSF.

Shrug.

 

Hey! I can hardly U-turn my FZR[1] on a 30 foot wide street without
putting a foot down, and the outer circle of the California test is
only 25 feet in diameter.

How do I know this?

I went to the DMV down the street and *measured* it.

[1] The wide spars of the deltabox frame and the high and wide gas
tank leave little room for the rider's thumbs when the steering is on
the stops and the steering geometry causes the front wheel to out
track...

 

I found the MSF consecutive U-turn inside a 20-foot wide box to be
difficult at first, when they added that exercise to the course, and
had to practice it repeatedly until I could demonstrate it perfectly
for the students.

I used to go and practice it on my Ducati 851 Superbike, and found it
virtually impossible at first, with the limited steering lock and the
weight on my hands and wrists, the riding position, and the chin bar
of my helmet smashing into my shoulder when I turned my head far
enough to look back.

Finally, I developed a technique so that I could do it on the Ducati,
but it was far from natural, and it was not a skill that I ever used
in real life, nor would I ever want to use that skill in real life.

However, I could eventually do it as easily on my teaching partner's
903 pound GL1500 Gold Wing as I could on a Suzuki GN125 from the class
fleet.

 

*Sooooooooooo* stupid, and he never ever learns not to post lies.

If you really owned an FZR you'd know that they'll turn far tighter
than a 12.5' radius, and that they'll do so without getting your
thumbs anywhere *near* the tank, or the bars anywhere *near* the stops.

 

Hi Bob,
That NYT article was already quoted in this thread (see above).

It doesn't say which test Arnold passed:
a) Did he pass the CA DMV lollipop?
b) Or did he pass the MSF circuit?

If he passed the CA DMV lollipop, did he take it on his own bike?

In reality, we can assume the answer (because he couldn't possibly have
passed the California test on his own bike, nor would he be stupid
enough, politically, to even try to take the test that has his name on it
and fail it three times consecutively).

Which leads me to the ultimate irony in this quest for facts ...

It's ironic, because it's almost certain Arnold is the governor of a
state where even he can't pass his own riding license test that he
endorses with his signature on the cover of every DMV riding manual.

But, that hypothesis above awaits confirmation of fact ... which we just
don't have ... and which that NYT editor did not do their research well
enough to explain.

I just now wrote to the author of that article, a woman by the name of
Mireya Navarro, email is available at the following location:
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/n/
mireya_navarro/index.html?inline=nyt-per

TINYURL: http://tinyurl.com/34lv9fr


If anyone else is interested in knowing whether Arnold passed his own
riding test, please send her an email too! I doubt she'll answer just
one, but if many came her way, maybe she'd be prompted to do some more
research on our behalf.

 

You do realize you're disparaging the MSF riding test and not the
California DMV lollipop, don't you Tim?

 

Pete posted: "Prediction: Joe will reply that the Gubernator didn't
"really" pass
the test... "

And Joe posted: "In reality, we can assume the answer
(because he couldn't possibly have passed the California
test on his own bike..."

Thanx for making me look like a genius, Joe!

~Pete

 

So that 23 feet diameter under the most perfect of conditions (i.e.,
walking the bike in a circle).

The California lollipop dimensions are 19 feet, 6 inches for the inside
circle, and 21 feet, 9 inches for the outside line.
http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=16101.0

What does that tell us about the ability of a typical beginning rider
taking their first license test on the California lollipop, let alone for
the Governor of the state, admittedly an experienced rider, on his
attempts?

 

And you know that because? Oh wait! You *can't* know that! Because -
as you keep saying- the stats aren't available.

Now your only problem is that you've just proven to one and all that
you pull your "facts" out of your ass.

Whoops.

 

I know. I didn't say anything about passing the test, "Joe." I was
talking about teaching thje course and demonstrating the exercise.
Try to keep up here.

And, if you passed the MSF riding test, why did you take the
California DMV riding test and fail it?

Really? Where are your statistics to back up that assertion?

Not if there is an alternative that he prefers that is also available
to other California riders, if they choose to avail themselves of it.
An intelligent person can easily figure that out.

Really? You're sure? How are you sure that "we all know" that? How
do you know what test he took? I thought you were trying to find that
out, and you were asking all of US that, and didn't you say you
thought it was sad that we didn't know? Make up your mind - do we
all know, or is it sad that none of us know?

And why do you call it "his own riding test?" Did the governor
design and implement that test? I beleive it was in place before he
ever took office.

Funny you should say that, since there is no evidence at all that you
find it necessary in general to make your assertions unassailable.

Make up your mind, You just said that you know that we all know which
test he took.

 

A stuffed "Tigger" doll you won at the county fair?

 

I'm not disparaging anything. I'm just reading and laughing.... at
you. "Joe."

 

Sigh.

If you were an actual rider it would tell you what every real rider
knows: A bike's turning radius decreases in a direct relationship to
how far the bike is leaning into a given turn. (That's why your
steering head points almost perfectly straight ahead while the bike is
going around a curve. Your suspension geometery is doing the turning
*for* you. Duh.)

So: the steering lock circle doesn't describe a bike's minimum turning
radius unless you happen to be *walking* the bike perfectly upright,
and, alas for your logic, the DMV test must be ridden without your
feet touching the ground; which means the bike *is* perforce leaning
into the turn and is capable of turning much tighter than the steering
head's deflection would otherwise permit.

Q: Are you perchance Krusty's long-lost twin brother? There are a lot
of similarities. The invincible ignorance, the endless repitition of
invented "facts", the baseless assumptions that always support your
other baseless assumptions, the accusations that anyone who cites a
fact that you don't care for is lying, yadda yadda yadda.....

Looks like there's a new "Sheriff" in town, boys!