Diagnose me!

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    Over the past month I've been trying to get the 6R up and running to
    use as my winter hack.

    It was treated to a new chain and air filter and ran fine for a day or
    two and then I topped up the oil and 2 problems sprang up.

    1. The choke stopped opening fully - it would only open to about
    1/3rd of the way.

    2. Riding in to work I was right at the end of my 10 mile journey
    when it felt like the bike was running out of petrol. I stuck it on
    reserve and it was fine for the last couple of hundred yards to my
    work. On the way home, however, it suddenly started kangarooing
    really badly. It was running fine up to 35/40mph and then would just
    kangaroo and refuse to rev any further.

    I've had the carbs off, freed the choke and changed the plugs, which
    has sorted out problem 1, but problem 2 is still there, if maybe
    slightly better.

    A quick test this morning shows that it will rev out in 2nd gear, so
    up to about 80mph, but once you start changing up it won't pull
    anywhere near enough revs for this speed - it refuses to rev above
    about 7.5k. Opening the throttle wide makes the problem worse, to
    such an extent that it actually speeds up as you shut the throttle.

    The whole thing feels like I remember my original 6R feeling post-bin,
    when I tried riding it without all of the ram air gubbins, so I'm
    guessing it's something to do with fuelling, but I can't understand
    why it would suddenly go from absolutely fine to completely screwed
    mid-journey.

    The only other symptoms I have are:

    1. When I took the carbs off one corner of my new air filter element
    was soaked with clean, fresh oil. I'm guessing that I overfilled it
    slightly and some oil was blown out through the crankcase breather.
    Running it now doesn't seem to add more oil.

    2. One of my dashboard bulbs had gone - the one illuminating the top
    end of the rev-counter - but not it's working again, but brighter than
    all of the rest of the dash lights.

    So, any thoughts on that mishmash ... other than throw the whole thing
    in a skip, obviously?
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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    Cane Guest

    AIDS. Your hom bike has gone full blown.
     
    Cane, Nov 13, 2007
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  3. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    Is it safe to let is share a garage with my non-hom bike? Can I use
    the same tools on both of them?
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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  4. AndrewR

    Krusty Guest


    When you 'had the carbs off', did you actually clean them out? The oil
    in the airbox may have ran into the carbs & be swilling around in the
    float bowls.

    Alternatively it's sucked oil into the cylinders & hydraulic'd the
    engine - I'll give you a fiver for it if you deliver.

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    Krusty, Nov 13, 2007
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  5. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    No. I was going to, but then it was late and a lot of hassle.
    A fiver? Really? Have you seen it?
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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    Eddie Guest

    Hmmm... I think I suggested that, but forgot about it when I was in the
    proximity of the bike.

    What are the chances that it's possible to drain a 6R's carbs without
    taking them off again?
     
    Eddie, Nov 13, 2007
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  7. AndrewR

    TOG Guest

    When bikes start playing up after people have fiddled with them, that
    means they've buggered something.

    Go back over every single thing you did and ask: "What could I have
    done wrong?"

    Same goes for AndrewR.....
     
    TOG, Nov 13, 2007
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  8. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    But when mine went wrong all I'd done was replace the chain and air
    filter.

    Now it's obviously not a chain-related issue, so what could I do wrong
    changing the filter ...

    1. Fail to reconnect the fuel tank ... nope.

    2. Fail to reconnect the airbox breather pipe ... nope.

    3. Accidentally use bit of perspex instead of a brand new air filter
    element ... nope.

    4. Fail to screw airbox back together ... nope.

    5. Pour beer down the carbs and drop a few nuts and bolts in there as
    well and assume it would be OK ... nope.

    I think that's about it, unless you can think of anything else.

    It's also worth noting that the problem started 20 or 30 miles after
    I'd done the filter change.
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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  9. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    Given that I can now get them off in 3 minutes, with my eyes closed,
    what does it matter?
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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    Krusty Guest

    Somewhere between 0 & 100% I should imagine.

    HTH

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    Krusty, Nov 13, 2007
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    ginge Guest

    How long to get them back on again?
     
    ginge, Nov 13, 2007
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  12. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    I don't know yet.
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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  13. AndrewR

    TOG Guest

    Did you put the carbs in a plastic bag or similar? Any old kid of dirt
    and grit could have blown in.
    I've got gauges, if you're near SW London.
     
    TOG, Nov 13, 2007
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  14. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    Yes, but if I don't get it fixed then the Prilly has to bear all of
    the neglect and abuse and it's far too pretty for that.
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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    MikeH Guest

    You did put the chain around the spiky things at the back of the bike
    didn't you?
    If not, 30 miles could be how long it takes a chain to suck through the
    air filter one link at a time.
     
    MikeH, Nov 13, 2007
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  16. AndrewR

    MikeH Guest

    Hole in carb float?
    Like TOG, I have gauges but in Christchurch area.
     
    MikeH, Nov 13, 2007
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  17. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    Yes, and I carefully joined the two ends of it using cable ties.
    Seems unlikely.

    I might, however, go wild and stick the old air-filter element back
    in ... just to see, like.
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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  18. AndrewR

    Colin Irvine Guest

    In which case it sounds like fuel starvation. Put the carbs back on
    and try again.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 13, 2007
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    Pip Guest

    I reckon that when you put the tank back on, you've either kinked or
    squashed the fuel pipe or a breather pipe. That, or left the
    proverbial rag in the airbox.
     
    Pip, Nov 13, 2007
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  20. AndrewR

    AndrewR Guest

    I'd agree with you, but I know I haven't and I suspect that if I had
    it wouldn't rev out in 1st and 2nd and then **** up when you go into
    3rd or higher.

    Like I say, I'm going to try my old air-filter tonight, just to make
    sure the new one isn't so soaked in oil that it's stopped working.
     
    AndrewR, Nov 13, 2007
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