Death Valley and environs

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by KS, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. KS

    KS Guest

    I'm considering a solo ride from the Bay Area to Death Valley and
    thereabouts over the Thanksgiving holiday. I seem to be drawn to the
    desert again, and will probably take the Bakersfield route to avoid
    mountain passes. I am not averse to turning south for a brief jaunt
    into Mexico territory, if feasible. I would appreciate
    route/sight/comfort/survival suggestions.

    Khaled
     
    KS, Nov 23, 2003
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    muddycat Guest

    Seems to me, the passes are 'closed' this time of year. Have a nice trip.

    --
    muddy

    Testing the limits of gravity since 1947.

    icq - 219328929
     
    muddycat, Nov 23, 2003
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  3. a real nice route (for me, anyways) is to go down to Hollister, down 25 to
    198 to coalinga, then down 33 to 46 through Wasco to Famoso Rd and up and
    over Greenhorn Summit (155) if its open. it often is unless its recently
    snowed. 155 takes you to Lake Isabella, go around the north side of the
    lake, then take 178 over Walker Pass (almost always open) to Ridgecrest
    and on through Trona to Emigrant Gap and into Death Valley...

    its a nice day ride, we're going in January...

    -jrp
     
    John R Pierce, Nov 23, 2003
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  4. KS

    KS Guest

    And by the way, Pashnit.com, which is usually a good resource for these
    things, doesn't seem to have anything on this destination.

    Khaled
     
    KS, Nov 24, 2003
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    jim stinnett Guest

    Bakersfield to Death Valley - Highway 155-178

    From Bakersfield Highway 178 all the way through the Panamint Mountain range
    to Death Valley. Be sure to take in the unbelievable views at the passes as
    before you head down into the valleys. The road between Bakersfield and
    Ridgecrestis a total blast if love huge wide sweeping turns. These are the
    acme! .....Alternate route is from Visilia via the town of Woody on route
    155. Either way you can't go wrong. Be sure to go in the Winter or Spring as
    the summer is way too hot ( I am not kidding!) Bring water and make sure you
    top off with gas when you can.
     
    jim stinnett, Nov 24, 2003
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    B. Peg Guest

    Regarding places to stay enroute, there is a fairly new (couple of years
    old) small motel called the "Bunk House" a mile south of Glennville with a
    cool biker type pizza/steakhouse (Hussano's) about 50 yards away. Located
    in rolling hills and oaks along Hwy. 155 before going over the thick
    pine-tree forested summit and down to Lake Isabella. Hwy. 155 can be a
    nightmare on a bike if Cal-Trans sands the road. They do it heaviest on the
    west side before the summit (think of a school sandbox). I spun a car out
    there, nice 360 at about 5-10 mph) and helped pick up a flopped a bike once
    on it. Be careful! Down the west side it isn't sanded so bad but it is
    steep and I watched some lady in a van run off the road and hit a parked car
    due to brake fade.
    Kernville at the north end of Lake Isabella is a favorite biker hangout.
    Many bikes can be seen in front of all the motels in the area and the BMW
    crowd from LA hangs out there. All kinds of restaurants and pizza places.
    Ridgecrest is priced a little high and is a big town for a desert community.
    Trona is a pit. Gas, food, and that's about it. You can get gas at
    Stovepipe Wells and Furnace Creek in Death Valley. There are two places to
    stay at Furnace Creek if you don't camp. One is high, maybe $300-400 a
    night, other is more moderate at around $100 or so. I find Park lodging to
    be a bit pricey overall.
    Death Valley is nice this time of year, but it can get cold once the sun
    sets. Mountain passes are also cold (esp. Hwy 155) with night-time temps
    running around 20's now. Hwy. 155 is open but mildly sanded now due to ice,
    not snow.
    There is a neat (very clean too!) bed and breakfast in Randsburg that is
    south of Ridgecrest. I stayed there once enroute to Death Valley (about
    $75) and it is a neat ghost town to wander around in. Nice place to spend
    some time shooting and looking at the old mining junk all around the place.
    Owner's spin some historical stories too over evening bottle of wine. No
    gas in town though.
    Enjoy your ride.
    Bent~
     
    B. Peg, Nov 24, 2003
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    KS Guest

    That's a given. My trusty Kamelback will serve me well again. Thanks
    for the suggestions.
    Question is, will I freeze my butt through the mountains before breaking
    through to the desert....

    Khaled
     
    KS, Nov 24, 2003
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  8. go the highway 25>etc>lake isabella route, stay in kernville, kernville
    lodge. right downtown. walk to everything. get gas in trona
    yes, it will be cold places, and warmer, if you are lucky, places.

    still a nice ride. prez weekend to dv for me.

    mendo
     
    David Russell, Nov 24, 2003
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    Rich Guest

    Days are pleasant enough, but it gets cold when the sun goes down.
    I'm writing this from Phoenix, where it is 46F as I type.



    Rich, Urban Biker
     
    Rich, Nov 24, 2003
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    Bill Bornman Guest

    looks like it's a little chilly at night (and will be in the mtns. as well)

    general report (looks like it's updated every morning) available at:
    http://www.nps.gov/deva/Morning.pdf

    Nat'l Weather Srvc forecast linked from http://www.nps.gov/deva/

    TONIGHT...CLEAR IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING PARTLY CLOUDY AFTER MIDNIGHT.
    LOWS IN THE MID 30S. NORTH WIND AROUND 10 MPH.
    MONDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY... HIGHS IN THE MID 60S... LIGHT WIND
    MONDAY NIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY... LOWS IN THE UPPER 30S... NORTHWEST WIND
    AROUND 10 MPH.
    TUESDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY... HIGHS AROUND 70... NORTHWEST WIND AROUND 10 MPH IN
    THE MORNING SHIFTING TO THE SOUTHWEST IN THE AFTERNOON.
    TUESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR... LOWS IN THE UPPER 30S... NORTHWEST WIND
    AROUND 10 MPH.
    WEDNESDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY... HIGHS IN THE UPPER 60S
    WEDNESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR... LOWS IN THE UPPER 30S
    THANKSGIVING DAY...MOSTLY SUNNY... HIGHS IN THE UPPER 60S
    THURSDAY NIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY... LOWS IN THE UPPER 30S
     
    Bill Bornman, Nov 24, 2003
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  11. last january, it was cool, but not cold. At sunrise, I passed through
    some frosty valleys on 198 near Coalinga. the worst part of the ride was
    hitting heavy nasty tule fog from Coalinga all the way to partway up
    Famoso Rd. Easy one day ride on my beemer. I left my house in Santa
    Cruz around 6am, and rolled into Furnace Creek around 3pm.

    Obviously, its winter here, so you should be prepared for rain, fog, and
    possibly even a bit of near freezing. I was wearing polyweave thermal
    undies, sweatpants and sweatshirt, and firstgear hypertext pants and
    jacket, with gortex alpinestar boots and held gloves.

    Going home, we took a different route to avoid the central valley tule
    fog... We went up US395 past Mammoth Lakes and Mono Lake to Minden, NV,
    then came back over carson(?) pass past Kirkwood... It was bitterly cold
    past Mammoth... I had to buy some cheap snow gloves from a gas station
    minimart at Lone Pine or I wouldn't have made it. my companions were
    toasty, they had Gerbling electric liners and gloves on :((
     
    John R Pierce, Nov 24, 2003
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  12. yeah, it was real sandy last january near the top... I took it easy,
    cornered gingerly, and had no problems on my beemer with metzler z4 street
    tires... YMMV. Even in the summer, there can be sand on some of the
    turns around woody and glenville at the lower elevations, on an october
    ride I watched the K1200RS infront of me lowside on this stuff.
     
    John R Pierce, Nov 24, 2003
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    M. MacDonald Guest

    I slid the front of my cycle on that road too coming down from the top
    towards Glennville. I tried to pull over and turn around but it is
    pointless as the stuff is like ball bearings on hard Dunlaps. Once
    committed, you're pretty much stuck.
    I stopped along this road to take some pictures in early spring a couple of
    years ago. It was really green and the wildflowers were out. I promptly
    fell on my butt before I knew what happened. I was wearing leather-bottomed
    cruiser boots without much in the way of lugs but they were oil-resistant
    (big wow!). Seems like CalTrans spreads all the sand they can find from the
    summit down under the shadiest trees. It'll get your attention real quick
    in some of the sharper turns on a bike.
    I noticed that on the Lake Isabella side the sand piles up along the center
    line and some diesel truck adds to the problem spilling diesel as he winds
    his way up the hill to fill propane tanks at the mountain cabins on top.
    Caution is more than advised. May want to call the CalTrans yard in
    Glennville and see what damage they've done to the road before crossing it
    in winter.

    Mack
     
    M. MacDonald, Nov 24, 2003
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    KS Guest

    Yikes! That's my ride too. But since my low-side incident, and helpful
    advice from this NG, I've learned to drop tire pressure to below the
    manufacturer's recommendations. I now keep the rear at about 36 PSI (42
    is recommended). That seems to have helped, although all bets are off
    in sand and gravel.
    Khaled
     
    KS, Nov 24, 2003
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  15. huh. I keep my tires set quite hard on my R1100RS, 42 rear and 38-39
    front... my tires wear much more evenly, and the BMW 3-spoke rims are
    notoriously soft, higher pressure helps protect from a rim bender. I've
    had no trouble with traction as long as I approach sand with a bit of
    caution, OTOH, the R1100 is lighter and has a lower center of gravity than
    the K12, this may help with stability, I dunno.
     
    John R Pierce, Nov 25, 2003
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    Rich Guest

    I drove Phoenix-San Diego today, with a scenic detour: CA 78 from
    Westmoreland to Ramona. Granted I was on 4 wheels, but the route felt
    like it would have been great fun on two. I'd been as far as the
    Scissors Crossing before, but was really blown away by the hilly
    desert that runs between there and the Imperial County line as well as
    the sandy flats that allow one to go quite fast (posted limit was 65
    on a two-lane road, but I encountered only one vehicle going westbound
    in the whole 10 mile stretch) from there to the junction with 86.

    It's a great road whether you want to test your limits or sightsee.



    R, UB
     
    Rich, Nov 25, 2003
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