Dear old MCN

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009.

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    TOG@Toil Guest

    Their 25th anniversary piece on the GPZ900R.

    It was the first liquid cooled 16v four - no, it wasn't.

    It was the first four to have the camchain on the end of the block -
    no, it wasn't.

    Oh well.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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    boots Guest

    You're surprised?
     
    boots, Aug 12, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    Actually, as the mitakes were made by one of their best bods, yes, I
    was. Trouble is, this sort of continued inaccuracy eventually gets
    taken as gospel truth.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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    boots Guest

    Ah, right
    I can't recall the last time I bought MCN, years certainly, I just
    assume as with a lot of papers that it's mostly crap.
     
    boots, Aug 12, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    I bought a copy when I was selling the 750, to check the ad was OK.

    My ad was the best bit of writing in the whole rag.
     
    ogden, Aug 12, 2009
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    Switters Guest

    Out of interest, what was?
     
    Switters, Aug 12, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    A little-known thing called the Suzuki GSX400FW. Originally launched
    for the Jap home market, but found its way into a few others. Styled
    like the then-new GSX550 with a half fairing. I tested one in Sweden
    in the summer of 1983, for Superbike. Came out in the October edition,
    along with a brief spin on the GR650 Tempter twin (horrible thing).

    But people always think the 900R was first, because that's what
    they've been told.

    And don't get me started on what was the first Jap water-cooled
    four.... 'Cos most people get that wrong as well.

    <Puts away anorak>
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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    platypus Guest

    It was about '76, and the manufacturers unwisely boasted that it was the
    first water-cooled motorcycle.
     
    platypus, Aug 12, 2009
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  9. I'm surprised (not doubting you) that it's that late - As people like
    Lewis were making water cooled 4's in 1900 and something (where something
    <20) and AJS through the 1930's were making water cooled V4s, I would
    have though 4 valves per cylinder might have been combined with water
    cooling and four cylinders before 1983.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Aug 12, 2009
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    CT Guest

    Top pedantry!
     
    CT, Aug 12, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    Fair comment. I should have said 'Jap bike', or (to be accurate)
    'across-the-frame four' which is how it's usually described.

    I can't actually think of any production water-cooled 16v fours prior
    to it, mind. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some plant hadn't made
    one or two specials or something. Rudge made 4v heads, lots of people
    water-cooled engines, Henderson and Nimbus and others made fours
    (didn't Indian make a four?), but I honestly can't think of anyone who
    bought all the ingredients together before the Suzuki.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    <Bows>
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    1974-75, to be super-accurate: I never knew they'd made that claim,
    though. I'd have thought even Honda would have heard of Scotts and
    things and, if not, surely the Suzuki GT750?
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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  14. What was?
     
    Simon Atkinson, Aug 12, 2009
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    Timo on tour Guest

    Yes they did, inline 4, similar layout to the Nimbus. IIRC Peugeot
    used 4V heads on racing bikes pre-WWI, but I'm pretty sure
     
    Timo on tour, Aug 12, 2009
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    Ace Guest

    Oh, the glodwing. I was frantically scratching my head trying to think
    of a new 1976 bike.
    Indeed. And in 1975 they were actually being manufactured, under the
    Silk brand, at Darley Abbey in Derby. They were basically a Scott
    water-cooled 2-t twin in a modern rolling chassis. Lusted after a
    700s, I did, although they were only ever really rich-man's toys,
    AFAICR.
    Quite.
     
    Ace, Aug 12, 2009
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  17. Otherwise you could have included one or more prototype Hurley-Pughs of
    the 1920's.
    The famous 'Flat-head'.

    , but I honestly can't think of anyone who bought
    Fair enough - I couldn't either to be fair and Google wasn't a lot of
    help.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Aug 12, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    They were. I lusted after a 700S as well. I think George Silk stopped
    making them around 1978.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 12, 2009
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    Jim Guest

    Please stop before someone makes a Spagthorpe post.
     
    Jim, Aug 12, 2009
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    Ace Guest

    Perhaps a little later, IIRC. Fairly sure they were still going well
    into the eighties, although perhaps not producing new bikes as such.

    Used to go and hang out by the 'factory' and gawp at them when I were
    'lad. Well, I say factory, it was just a couple of old mill buildings
    next to the weir. Although it looks a lot bigger now on google maps
    than I remember it.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...28,54.3164068&ll=52.943314,-1.475352&t=h&z=19
     
    Ace, Aug 12, 2009
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