Da' rules..

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by T3, May 26, 2008.

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    Will Hartung Guest

    I think that's a valid observation. I mean, the GSXR 750 kind of stands
    out in this pack of potential runners.

    When you compare instead of HP/lb, but instead Bang/$, the 750 is on top
    of the pack.

    The only folks who will not be running them (most likely) will be
    factory satellite teams just trying to make a go of it.

    Of course, today we already have a Suzuki cup, SuperStock (albeit with a
    lone Honda sitting on top of the podium past 2 races -- bully for him).
    And before that, when it was 750 SuperStock, it was pretty much 100% GSXRs.

    Also missing from the mix, most interesting, are the BMW 800 twins. They
    may simply not have the giddy up to keep up, or BMW doesn't want to play
    along with contingency etc. Maybe you just have to strip off too much to
    make them raceable and, again, why spend a couple extra $1000 on stuff
    you're stripping anyway when there's a perfectly usable GSXR 750 instead.


    Of course, DMG has that knob. They can tweak the GSXR to, say, 1hp/3.1
    pounds to try and slow them down, or they can say "hey this is what we
    want -- parity in racing!" as the factories flee, and Suzuki carries the
    day again.

    Racers are their own kind of economy, they like the cheapest thing that
    wins. For the "professional racer" basically trying to stay in the top
    10 to get the $5k check per race (almost $100k per year, not bad work if
    you can get it), with a few sponsors to pay for parts, gas, and medical
    insurance, they could be happy fighting for 8th all day long.

    The lower purse is cheap enough to encourage those in that group to move
    up or get out. The top prize is a windfall for any team that happens to
    get it. I noticed there was no mention of a championship purse going to
    the winner, or top 3, in the series. They get a trophy I guess.

    So, I can easily see these folks content to run the GSXR or whatever
    else is currently best bang/$ in terms of racing. Perhaps the factories
    can pony up extra $$$ for contingency purses in order to try and get
    racers to run their bikes that sit out side of the "best race value"
    curve. But that only works if the bike is actually competitive.

    Some shining star will show up every year, and the riders will flock to
    that bike for its perceived or real advantage.

    A GSXR 750 FX series, boy, that does sound exciting.

    Regards,

    Will Hartung
     
    Will Hartung, May 28, 2008
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    T3 Guest

    Tuning versus squeezing every last pony out of an engine will be key to
    winning and the big twins lend themselves to that in spades. They also
    will prolly be cheaper to run too...
     
    T3, May 28, 2008
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    T3 Guest


    Ya' know, even though I don't see that happening, you may be right, but
    we'll see I guess...
     
    T3, May 28, 2008
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Right now, in virtually every class, racers spend lots of money on
    reducing weight. Under these regs, you'd still want to use lightweight
    wheels for handling, but all the other bits like sub-frames could be
    stock and steel instead of aluminium. You might see things like clip
    ons, radiators, rearsets being built up to a weight instead of down till
    they break. Maybe look at it another way, a Ten Kate CBR600 is probably
    right on the WSS600 weight limit which would mean they would only be
    allowed 120hp. I suspect that's not going to be enough. I was really
    working on the basis that brochure dry weights are a lie and this is
    about end of race wet weights. Do that with standard road bikes and
    virtually every sports bike comes in right around 190-210Kg. So it's not
    a huge stretch to say that race bikes could be built in the 180-190Kg
    range instead of going to huge efforts to get down to the 160-170Kg
    range.
    I think it's only in the last year or so that WSS600 and FX have hit a
    real 140hp and I think only a few of them have done that. That's with an
    aftermarket but restricted cam. It looks like the cam in these regs is
    free but must be homologated which ought to make it a bit easier at the
    risk of a peakier engine.

    Anyway, speculating about what you would race within these rules is fun
    but idle. My guess is that this will be a bit like bracket racing. The
    need for speed will drive people to get as close as possible to that
    140hp limit without going over it. And the easiest way to do that is to
    go for a heavier starting point with a bigger engine because then it
    costs less.
     
    Julian Bond, May 28, 2008
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  5. Hey, maybe Honda could get the VFR homologated and the we could
    have V-4s in mix of engines too.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, May 28, 2008
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    tomorrow Guest

    Why; more drafting, more bumping, more intentional running people off
    the track, more crashes, more injuries, more rider deaths, more fans,
    higher TV ratings, more revenue for DMG, and the end of the
    roadracing as a legitimate sport in the U.S.

    Of course.

    Isn't it obvious?
     
    tomorrow, May 29, 2008
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    Will Hartung Guest

    Ah HA!

    Now we see the real reason for adding pace cars and rolling starts --
    the only practical mechanism to actually complete the race and get past
    the turn 1 madness that is SSport today.

    When every other race ends up with a wad of bikes being scattered like
    bowling pins in turn 1 at the start, they'll immediately bring out the
    pace car, catch everyone up, sweep up the track for 3-4 laps, then they
    can try again until they get through enough rolling restarts to weed the
    pack of enough folks to make the first turn survivable.

    Very clever.

    Regards,

    Will Hartung
     
    Will Hartung, May 29, 2008
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    bsr3997 Guest

    This could be the best thing to happen for club racing in a long
    time. People will have to go to club races to see really fast bikes.
     
    bsr3997, Jun 2, 2008
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