D.O.H. - RIDE FOR LIBERTY

Thanks. I understood that. I was just making a personal observation
about drinking and riding.

 

Agreed. Not a good combination. I'm not much of a drinker, a rally like DOH
or ROT looks like *fine* fun.
I'd make sure to have a place nearby to sleep it off, though.

 

Actually you don't need to be a member or join in order to post, but that's
fine I'll definetly be over there a little bit later and post this info.

 

Stephen, I would have agreed with you initially. But more recent
comments to the thread seem to clarify problems with past iterations of
the event that were the probably catalyst for the checks. (see comments
about defecation in locals yards as one example)

 

Really? What equipment do you use (camera/lens combination)?

I just upgraded my equipment from a Nikon 6006 that I've been
tinkering with for quite some time. I bought it brand new when they
first came out to replace several of the bodies I lost. I had the FM2
chrome body that I loved and a F3 that was okay, but my choice at the
time was the FM2. I lost those and my wife tried to find me something
to make up for it so she tried buying me others. Finally, she gave up
and told me to buy what I wanted and would work. At the time, I
couldn't afford to straight replace what I'd lost so I had to go with
a 5005. That worked okay until I put my hands on the 6006. I've now
been piecing together a pretty nice outfit that seems to work well.
I'm taking it down to Austin and hope to have some really nice pics
out of the deal.

The biggest problem I seem to have lately though is finding lenses
locally. I can't seem to find any. I've always known the Nikon to be
out and about enough that plenty of people demanded the
accessories...but I can't seem to find a lens that isn't a standard
zoom anywhere but mail-order.

 

After reading the response from the Beemer, I confess that I didn't attend
the DOH rally, either.. You can rest assured, my good friend Waco, did
attend that rally.. and I'll certainly admonish him severely for taking a
dump in someone's yard... LOL.. We have discussed many times, his propensity
for "mooning" the cagers in traffic while we cruise the highways and I have
criticized him often for that terrible habit of his.. Waco.. if you are
reading this, please be properly chastised and promise never to do such a
thing again.. never.. From the reports of that rally, knowing my friend Waco
as I do, and having attended rallies all over this country, this sounds
familiar.. A very small town.. eager to host a gathering of bikers who spend
money freely and flush out a slow and lean economy.. The leaders of that
small town did not understand the implications of hosting such a group..
Inadequate planning for facilities, activity all over the place and
motorcycles with noise, commotion and clutter.. These are men and women just
a cut of their own, who came to be together in one place, enjoy the
fellowship and party.. That's why there was such a gathering of law
enforcement.. There was undoubtedly some complaints from some of the
residents..And no doubt the entire town breathed a sigh of relief when the
weekend was finished and everyone left..I also suspect that the businesses
made their bank deposits on Monday with smiles.. The municipal courts will
be delighted to receive the checks in that mail and I'd give odds they will
be soliciting another group to enjoy their hospitality at the earliest..
I've mentioned Austin in a previous post and the hospitality for the ROT
rally, in that area.. No one is forced to attend these motorcycle rallies..
No municipality is forced to host one of them.. And law enforcement does
not have to resort to "ambushes" to ensure highway safety.. No one has to
drink beyond their capacity and the responsiblity for those that do, rests
with his companions who do not encourage him to back off .. much less allow
him to mount his motorcycle when he is drunk..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Waco is one of the rare "real" ones on this group.. He's never said or done
anything to offend "anyone".. He rides his Springer the way many only could
wish to do.. The rides we have made together have been enjoyable for us
both.. He's a damn good man to run with.. Never "mooned" anyone nor took a
dump in anyone's yard.. Waco is the kind of man, a lot of twits on this
newsgroup would love to be, but they don't have the "right stuff" to ever
get there..

 

Sheeyet, my ass is a work of art and nobody sees it without paying. Put a
dollar or two in my g string, please.

p.s. I'll get you for this, Bill! <g>


SI - "BlingBling" (The rare pigs reign)
http://www.heritagespringer.com

 

<chuckle> I understand.. Just couldn't resist.. Better be nice to me.. You
will need a good friend to explain all your little idiosyncrasies to the
authorities, when we are deep within the borders of Mexico.. LOL..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

In my book, the fact that something might be illegal does not make it wrong. At
the same time, the fact that something is not against the law does not mean it
is right.

I am interested in hearing just where the bible teaches that.

Oma
-- Walk with many, follow The One.
(to email, change nospam to w000023)

 

Where is this taught?

Oma
-- Walk with many, follow The One.
(to email, change nospam to w000023)

 

Wow! I don't know how I missed these postings...

I would also like to know where in the Holy Bible it is told to "obay
the laws of man". As far as I know, there's many in the Bible who
broke many "laws of man". Not that it went into the "laws of God", but
they were just breaking the laws.

Perhaps "texdays" would care to explain which Holy Bible he's talking
about, or where in the Holy Bible this "obay the laws of man" is told?

My guess is that it's in the same place as those emails I've been
trying to get him to post where I sent him.

 

By example?
Matt 12.about the whole first half of the chapter; Mark 2.24; Luke 6.9, 14.3
Any modern day example of where "man's law" is counter to known morality
(take the law to put Jews in prison camps and starve/gas/burn them as
one example)

By specific language?
Acts 5,29

 

All Canon stuff. EOS1n film bodies with drives, a pair of pro digital SLR
bodies awaiting a third (EOS1D mark II when they become more of a reality
than a myth). All EF "L" series f2.8 flourite glass with ultrasonic motors
(from wide to long zooms and some long glass as well) and the 550EX
wirelessly interconnected flash line.

I do mainly wheel sports (focusing on bicycles, as most people have
probably figured out by now <grin>) but I've done just about everything
from news to sports to fashion, except shooting under fire (which was my
fathers line in WWII).

Digital gets all the work these days, and guys like me are shooting at a
rate of about 25 to 30,000 images a year.

Been looking at wide zooms lately for art shots and fun (14-35mm f2.8),
but my publishers don't normally use much of that, so it'd be a frivolous
purchase.

Canon Professional Services lets me borrow anything exotic I need for
special shoots - so if I know what I need - buying new glass isn't really
much of an issue.

My system has been so stable since going digital (no film, no processing,
no lens, flash and filter buying) that I haven't needed a local camera
shop. Most in Houston folded before digital took hold anyway. I like
Precision Camera in Austin and Pro Photo Supply in Houston, but Precision
is the only shop in Texas that keeps enough glass in stock for a pro to
actually 'shop'.

I spend much more time thinking about laptops and memory cards. Got a lot
of work throughput, packaging and archival storage to consider.[/QUOTE]

The only "paying" shoots I've done was journalism and I've done some
sports via karate studios and events. Now I just do the hobby type
stuff and I've had some calls about doing portraits and wedding
events...but I never like doing those since the people paying get hit
with the bill and then don't like the pictures after all.

I've considered going digital with the Nikon D1, but they keep
changing so quickly that I'm waiting for the industry to stabalize a
bit more before actually moving that direction. Nikon has just come
out with a D70 body that looks like it might be worth the bucks giving
6.1mp and a few other nice features. I looked at the Canon Rebel
Digital when it first came out, but it's still a "Rebel" and just
doesn't feel like a camera.

I'll keep waiting a little longer and let the people who can't wait
take the losses and I'll pick up a good body from them after the
prices come down.

I'm hoping to get quite a number of good pictures in a couple weeks
down in Austin. I wish I had a good fast 85mm or 105mm to take some
shots in dim light, but like I said before...I'm having problems
finding anything locally that I'm interested in. I used to have a 24mm
1.2 that was PERFECT for my shoots in journalism jobs, but that was
part of what I lost many years back and haven't found a lens that
would replace it. I used to go on shoots somewhere and just grab my
FM2 and that 24mm first and use that. I think what I've got now (minus
the lens) would replace that camera times fold.

Since we're on the subject, have you ever had any experience with
"Phoenix" equipment? I've been seeing more and more of their stuff,
but I'm afraid to mess with any of it since I'm silly about
Nikon/Canon/Leica optics. I've even had a salesperson try and talk me
into Quantaray lens and I wasn't impressed even in the slightest. Even
my Pentax lens has better optics than that Quantaray had. I'm just
wondering if the Phoenix products are worth a crap...apparently
someone has to be buying it since it's gaining popularity and getting
spots in the photo rags.

 

Well, this is real interesting.

Matthew 12:1 - 14 deals with the "breaking" of what was supposedly GOD's law,
NOT the laws of men.

Same for Mark 2:24.

Luke 6:9 is still driving home the same point about what is supposedly the law
of God.

Same for Luke 14.3.

"Known morality" is usually so vague and so situational as to allow just about
anything in different cultures and under the "right" circumstances.

I don't think you really want to bring in Hitler references on this issue. He
presented himself as Christian and had significant "church" support (Bible
quoters all ) for his administration. People have always found biblical support
for any atrocity they've committed. Nothing has changed on that score. Every
kind of atrocity appeals to God as sanction or director.

This is also interesting. There is no mention of law here. There IS the clear
reference to obeying men or obeying God. This verse also doesn't say anything
positive about obeying men. It rather clearly sets up a one-or-the-other type
situation: It is necessary to obey God RATHER THAN men.

Thanks for your reply.

Oma
-- Walk with many, follow The One.
(to email, change nospam to w000023)

 

Obedience to laws is much more of a church teaching than a Bible teaching.

Very good observation, especially when the point you left unstated is
considered. That is that many positive examples in the Bible broke both the
"laws of men" AND the "laws of God." Lots of good folks choke on that one.

Oma
-- Walk with many, follow The One.
(to email, change nospam to w000023)

 

Hence the dycotomy. When faced with a choice of obeying man or god,
disobedience to man is recommended; the very example you requested.

 

Not really.

Texdays had written:

To which you replied:

The verse you cited does not say to obey the laws of men unless those laws are
unjust. The choice presented in the verse is either/or. It is not one most of
the time.

I know I'm not always clear, but I'm trying. Let me try this -- Let's say I
decide, as a way of life, to obey God. Joe Schmo comes along and tells me to do
something God has already told me to do. I obey God. Joe Schmo may be tickled
pink at the outcome that he sees but if he thinks I am obeying him he is wrong.

Let's say Joe Schmo comes along and tells me to do something God has already
told me NOT to do. Let's say I remain consistent with my decision to obey God.
That is primarily an act of obedience rather than an act of disobedience. If I
allow the issue to become disobedience to Joe Schmo I make it real easy for Joe
Schmo to think I am in an adversarial relationship with him -- which is not the
case.

That's probably clear as mud, huh?

Oma
-- Walk with many, follow The One.
(to email, change nospam to w000023)

 

It is the case, you are in an adversarial relationship. You are
rejecting Joe Schmoe for whatever fantasy you choose to believe. Joe
Schmoe is a non-believer and infidel to be ignored in your eyes. In
some fantasies, he is worthy of being killed for that. Others just
refuse him the mystic crackers and wine, but it's the same thing to
varying degrees.
David Koresh was "following god" and got a lot of people killed for it.
So was Ayatollah Khomeini, Puritans conducting the Salem witch trials,
Torquemada and the Inquisition, Taliban destroying the giant Buddhas,
Hindus attacking the Sikh temple, etc, ad nauseum.
People "following god" have brought countless misery to humankind and it
continues to this very day.