[QUOTE] I feel very sorry for people who are in a job just to pay the bills.[/QUOTE] ITYF that is the situation for the *vast* majority of people in paid employment. All this aspirational, "ownership", "empowerment", cobblers is just that in most cases. We had a bit of course thing with HR a few years back, and the HR droid was visibly shocked that most folk on our department considered themselves to be in a "job", rather than having a "career".