@news.individual.net: [QUOTE] A 60mph spill in a textile jacket and he walked away with scuffs- not so bad really. As Paul Varnsverry pointed out in a link to some test figures, even good cordura only lasts a split second before perforation occurs on impact with tarmac. Start it tearing like that and then add in a few tumbles and you've got a piece of material that will rip like an old bedsheet does. I dare say my Gericke Voyager jacket would shred like bog paper if I was to send it up the road, but it keeps me warm and dry. [/QUOTE] "Better the cow's hide than mine..." You can always stick a waterproof over the top.