Crashed bike :-( Any opinions?

Hi all,

Went for a pleasant ride in the North Yorkshire Moors yesterday and managedto bin the bike. I ran wide on a right hander and ended up sliding over thefootpath and ending up on the verge. Luckily for me I'm okay, just a littlebruised but I wish I could say the same for the bike :-(

The bike is a 97, P reg Triumph Daytona T595. Having had a quick look overit I think it needs at best two new mirrors, (couldn't even find them),right hand side fairing, brake pedal is bent, a lot of scratches. It wasalso leaking oil as a pipe had come off. I refitted this with the clip andit seemed fine then. My other concern is that either the radiator has movedor the fairing has become bent as the rad is begind the fairing on one sideand sitting in front on the other. Also not sure if I bent on damagedanything else...

Anyway I got it home, interesting with no mirrros.. And hope some of you canoffer me some advice. I've often heard that sports bikes are written offfor this sort of damage as the plastic are expensive. I only have TPTanyway. Could anyone hazzard a rough guess as to what I'm looking at cashwise? To be honest even if mended I think I'd like to change now. can Isell a bike in this condition to a bike salvage company or would they giveme nothing really. How about part ex in this condition is it possible?

Thanks for any tips as I'm not really sure what to do.

Regards,
Steve

 

Steve Babb posted:

other. Also not sure if I bent on damaged anything else...

ex in this condition is it possible?

Good to hear you're ok.

I've heard that a set of daytona plastics costs in the region of "how
much?!", so you might end up spending more on the bike than it's worth
if you were to bring it back to mint condition. If all you're going to
do is sell it, then you're looking at getting it back into as good a
shape as you can manage without spending too much.

I did a bit of paint touching up on the SV before I traded it. I
managed to get it better than it was, but I wouldn't have got the money
back for a new front fairing or paint job.

If you can, get the rest of the side farings off and have a look at the
damage. Make a list of parts you think you need to replace and then
have a look on ebay to see if you might be able to pick them up cheap.

SWK more about Daytonas, and selling mangled bikes, will be along
shortly.

 

The only reason someone would buy it is to make a profit. It's old and
is probably not worth that much in mint condition (say, 2,500- a guess).

If you try to trade it in in that condition there's a lot of hassle to
get it back together and a risk that something else is fucked- early
ones had frame probs at the headstock anyway IIRC. I reckon you're
looking at 500- on a trade in.

I'm guessing that the scratching is over the 'good' panels since it's
probably been down on both sides to lose both mirrors. It's probably
easiest to buy a replacement set of bodywork. It'll mean a lot of
phoning breakers etc. if you're lucky you'll get body kit plus levers
etc. for 500-750 (another guess) leaving you with a bike worth IRO 2500.

So, it you assume 500 trade in then the hassle of putting it back
together will have netted you 1250. Good luck.

I should point out, though it's not necessary... , that I've never owned
a T595 or have a clue about the cost of parts.

 

Stick it on eBay , you dont have to sell. Use the "Reserve the right to
withdraw from auction at any time" clause, but if it reaches a good
price, your problems are solved.
Alternatively you might find the parts you need on there......

www.ebay.co.uk

Good luck fella, and glad to hear your not badly hurt.

Davey

 

HRH Wan_Quin wrote

Another good place to look is the ukrmcbt. It doesn't offer advice with
how to repair bikes or deal with an insurance company though, that sort
of thing is covered by the ukrm ffaq and the various threads that
develop from time to time. No, the ukrmcbt is specifically designed to
help people fit in round here. You know the sort of thing I am sure.

A bloke has some advice he wants to give or a comment to be made or a or
joke to tell. He looks a bit of a **** if he tells everybody the punch
line before they have been told the joke.

 

http://www.rsmotorcycles.co.uk/fullstock.html
link to damaged repairables? values?

http://www.cheshiremotorcyclesalvage.com/acatalog/
good triumph section

http://www.m1salvageandbreakers.co.uk/

dellboy

 

Bunch of cunts, this lot. OK if you can see what you are buying
before you part with your cash, but there's a couple of people here
who feel that they had a raw deal from them

 

Thanks guys for all your advice today.

Steve

 

I have some experience of fixing damage to T595s having dropped one a
couple of times.

New sidepanels cost around £250. You can get them plastic welded quite
easily as Triumph use a thick non-brittle plastic for the fairing. The
single colours mean that the repairer I used managed a good colour
match such that it's indistinguishable from the rest of the bike. A
new sticker from the dealer wasn't too expensive, and I've seen
unofficial ones advertised. You can hide the repair by replacing the
foam fairing panel liner if you wish. Cost £100 per panel. Look in MCN
classifeds under "Services".

I've been lurking on ebay for about 9 months sniping auctions for bits
that needed replacing, or picking up spares. There's a fair bit of
stuff for 97-01 595/509/955's that comes up. You need to know your
stuff about what changed on the models, but not much has. 2002 model
onwards is very different.

Complete bodywork sets come up occasionally on ebay. There's always
separate panels for sale, so it's worth waiting for the right thing if
you can to get the colour you need. The most common colour is the
(strontium) yellow as found on '97 bikes which it's 50% probable you
have.

When it goes down on it's side the bar/clipon bracket usually goes, as
well as the footpeg, rear footpeg hanger, mirrors and probably an
engine cover. With the exception of the engine cover, all of these
come up regularly on ebay. Mirrors are designed to break away with a
special bolt (that you can break off if you overtighten it), but
usually get scraped. If it went down on the RHS, I'm surprised the
exhaust didn't get damaged. Fortunately the OE legal dustbin-sized
ones are always for sale on ebay, no-one wants them, and so they're
cheap. Header pipes often come up too, and are cheap because they
don't rust so only crashers need them.

The brackets that hold the radiator on are not that sturdy, so could
easily be bent. The fairing brackets are also lightweight, and so can
bend. It'd be worth removing the entire fairing to see what's moved
out of line.

The clipon bracket often breaks, and can't be fixed. Check that the
handlebar isn't bent - the steering lock can be restricted enough to
fail the MOT. If it is, you can bodge it by turning it 180 degrees and
filing a matching groove on the opposite side to allow the clamp bolt
to pass through - if you remove the clipon you'll SWIM. I ran mine
like this for a year until I spotted a cheap replacement on ebay.

I managed a low-side on the LHS a few years ago. I used new parts from
a dealer for non cosmetic stuff, and don't recall them being
outrageous, for the few "crash parts" I wanted like peg, gear lever,
etc.

Another source of used parts is the classifieds section of t595.net.
There's also a useful message board - you might find bodges and repair
tips in the archives, including the Du-Pont paint codes if you use a
car place to re-paint bodywork. www.triumph-ant.com (formerly
Pontypridd motorcycle breakers) is a specialist Hinckley Triumph
breaker. Treated me fairly the one time I used him. He chats for ages
if you let him. www.sprintmanufacturing.co.uk are similarish and also
were fair if a little pricey when I used them to replace a vanished
rear pillion seat once, but they do have a tendency to do what
happened to me and they knew it.

If I was doing it all via ebay, I'd reckon on:

Pair mirrors £60+ (may need to pickup these up singly, and they appear
sought after)
Bar and clipon £35
Brake lever £20
Exhaust can £50 or less.
Pegs £20

Add 50-100% for breaker prices. Know the new price before asking a
breaker for a price

Any further info, just ask. And if you're thinking of converting it to
a Speed Triple by removing the bodywork, it's more expensive than you
might think.

 

Hi Mark,

I've managed to get the side fairing panel from a mate cheaply

Yes mine is the early strontium yellow.

Amazingly the exhaust is scratch free, also the indicator on the right
survived. The rear footpeg hanger survived too. Apart from the new fairing
and mirror the only other damage on the right is the break pedal. It is very
bent and unless you wiggle it the break light stays on. I have ordered a new
lever but am not sure how to change it. Do you know how? is it an easy job?
I also need to change the indicator on the left and will have to remove the
one on the right to get the fairing off. How easy are these to remove? Does
the rubbber grommit just push through the hole? It seems very tight. I made
a mess of the grommit on the broken indicator when I tried to push it back
for the ride home after the crash.

Yes, I noticed last night that the fairing bracket on the right is bent. I
bent it back and it seems okay. I took the bolt out of the other side
fairing to look at the bracket on the good side and now it won't go back in,
it always cross threads.... grrrr. So now the good fairing has the middle
bolt to the bracaket missing as I cannot get it back in. Ever had this?

The break fluid resevoir was bent on it's bracket and that bent back okay. I
think the bars are okay. Tobe honest when I am done I will ask someone with
more knowledge than me to just check it out.
The last problem is the bottom radiator. The radiator seems to be in two
parts. The top bit seems okay, but the lower part is bent and is behind the
fairing at the left and proud at the right. I think I can just bend this
back. It doesn't seem damaged.

Thanks for all your help, and any advice on the above questions would be
greatfully recevied.

Thanks
Steve

 

I've never had to remove the rear brake lever. The gear shifter wasn't
too hard, but I swapped it a long time ago. I can check the HBoL if
you like.

The indicator is fairly easy to swap. Remove the fairing panel and
there's a 13mm(?) nut on top of the whole assembly with the wire
coming through it. Unscrew this and slide it off the wire - the two
electrical connectors are on slightly different lengths of wire to let
you get one through at a time. Then the metal cover and finally the
rubber block that holds it in the hole in the fairing. The indicator
part will pull out of the rubber block when you remove the metal
cover. It will only go partway through the fairing unless you
dismantle it. The rubber grommet still has to be pushed through, but
it takes a lot less brute force to put it back on without all the
stuff bolted through it as you can still squeeze it effectively to
push it through.

On one of my indicators the nut has seized on, and to remove it to put
trackday fairing on involves removing the indicator lens, bulb,
reflector, unplugging little connectors inside the indicator, pulling
the plastic part off (there's tabs on the reflector that locate the
plastic parts) and then pushing the whole lot through. You then use
the brute force method of removal and installation that you're already
familiar with.

There's a brass thingy that clips onto the fairing bracket to provide
a little thread for the bolt to screw onto. They're a bit finicky to
get in the right place (I shine a torch through the hole in the
fairing to see where it is) as they move a little to aid with fairing
alignment. They can get damaged quite easily as they're brass and the
bolts are steel, but you can get them separately.

That's the oil cooler. You'd probably know if it was damaged as people
would be making jokes about Triumphs marking their spot! The oil pipes
are flexible in one section, so again you should be able to just bend
it back if you're careful.

 

Hi again Mark,

If you could take a look and pass on any info that would be really great.

Thanks for all you help.
Steve

 

Are you the Steve Babb that used to live in Burton on Trent around 1990?

 

Hi Mark,

My last post didn't seem to make it.

Thanks for all your advice.

It would be great if you could take a look.

Thanks
Steve