[QUOTE] Sure, just how much time do you think you are going to get from realising that you are going to go down, to the time you hit some sort of barrier, tree, car or whatever "Oh, dear me, I have hit the ground, now what was that he said?, feet first, that's the way " By the time you would have got the "Oh dear" out, you would have already attached yourself to the immovable object[/QUOTE] Yes well, I was thinking that if you come off, you come off and you'll have very little choice about how. The ;-) is to indicate that if you find yourself sliding headfirst, you'd better get up and turn around so you're sliding feet first.