Crania Cavity Test...

If bare heads could pass this crania cavity test... no one can argue for
a national helmet law... if not... oh well the odds still favor helmet
laws...

http://www.superbikemagazine.com/content/movies/helmet_test.asf

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
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http://www.superbikemagazine.com/content/movies/helmet_test.asf

Translation, this poor soul would die from brain damage in a sledge-O-matic
accident, while my able assistant, Mr. Beaker, is forced to live out his
life as a helpless paraplegic. Thank God he had his helmet on! Watch what
happens next, as I set his hair on fire.

 

I find this contrived [*] yet somewhat compelling piece to be a good
argument for helemt use, but I don't see that it justifies helemt laws.

I rarely encounter the potential to be struck in the head by hammers
while riding my motorcycle, though, so I find this piece as compelling
a demonstration that cagers, boaters, snowmobilers, and the like should
wear helmets, too. Why doesn't your campaign for mandatory helmet laws
include these groups, Larry?


[*] The head of the person supposedly wearing the helmet can clearly be
seen to be rising as the helmet is lifted from the table. There is
no way his head was in the helmet when the helmet was struck by the
hammer.

 

Why doesn't your campaign for mandatory helmet laws

It does...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

A truly rational, self-interested State would forbid helmet use rather
than require it. Given the cost of medical care and the likelihood
that the fisc will bear a significant share of the cost of serious
accidents, it would be in the public interest that more of them were
immediately fatal.

I see no point in placing a higher value on a human life than its
owner does.
R, UB

 

I see no indication of it. Why, for example, did you not also post this
thread to rec.boats and rec.sport.snowmobile?

 

I know a few that frequent the Busy Little Shop that could qualify for a
part in either Psychomania or Werewolfs on Wheels... not what you'd call
a brainy roadside prophet by any stretch of the imagination...

I realize I could not govern the State any better than it has been...
but if you think you can do a better job governing our State... then by
all means Peter throw your hat in the ring... let's see if you can
correct the wrong... cover the expenses... satisfy everyone's best
interest...

I think critiquing elected officials is a lot like critiquing a rider's
skill level... fine if you can do better by actually anteing up some
superior riding... if not??? well we know about the so call superior
rider who places faith in shit talking without ever stepping up to the
bars...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

How about rec.aircraft.aerobatics???

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

(In the long run it hasn't really worked out the way the

What a framers of the constitution had in mind always interest me...

"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and
deem them like the ark of the covenant, too scared to be touched. They
ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and
supposed what they did to be beyond amendment ....I am certainly not a
advocate for frequent and untried changes in law and constitutions. I
think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when
once known , we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means
of correcting their ill effects. But I know also that laws and
institutions must go hand in hand with progress of the human mind. As
that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are
made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the
change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace
with times."
Thomas Jefferson July 1816


I see a national helmet law as just keeping pace with the times...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

And I see a national ban on sportbikes as just keeping pace with the times...

--
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Personal Homepage ... http://odinn-frigga.tripod.com
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org

Fill in the blanks to reply

 

and how would they ban sportbikes without banning, say, V-Rods or
Valkeries ? Is a BMW a 'sportbike' ? What about a Goldwing GL1800?
GL1800's go like stink.

Of course, things like 'ape hanger' bars are already illegal in some
states (I know in california, if any part of the handlebars above the
riders shoulders are explicitly outlawed), yet I see them all the time.

3 people here got killed in a dual SUV rollover the other day, on a wide
open multilane freeway... we should definately outlaw them, eh? (Isuzu
Rodeo "lost control", swerved, clipped a Mercedes 'ute, and both "rolled
like dice cubes", killing 3 people in the Rodeo, this on a stretch of wide
straight freeway with 5 lanes in the same direction).

 

"They" won't ban only sportbikes because they don't see the difference.
What they will see, when personal freedoms have been sufficiently erroded
that the time has come to ban motorcycles, is that all motorcycles are too
dangerous to allow anybody to use.

Of course not, because there are legislators who enjoy driving SUV's!

No, the driver of the Rodeo lost control.

I am certain that none of those killed were wearing helmets. Legislators
might one day correct this, but only when they no longer drive automobiles.

 

Odinn... I'll bury you a sportbike in my back yard just in case you want
to race one after the ban... I'll throw in a full face skid lid too boot!!!

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

I do not see any reason why the Federal government is needed to pass a
helmet law. It is well within the power of the States to enact such
legislation. I do not put it past some congressional apparatchik to
twist this into a commerce issue (and they would have to to pass the
law AND have it survive judicial review) to bring this matter under
Federal jusrisdiction. Nowhere in the Constitution do I see public
safety on such an *individual* level enumerated as a power of
Congress.

Perhaps it is a shade of meaning that I have failed to see. I would be
happy to be relieved of my ignorance if I have overlooked this.

10th Amendment, U.S. Constitution:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people. "

Forgive me if this was already posted somewhere in the thread, I have
not read through all of them yet.

And as for keeping pace with the times, there certainly has been some
mighty onerous legislation out of the Guvmint in the last 40 years,
though no one really expected the Nanny States of America to just
happen overnight, did they?

--

John
Apple Valley, MN
'02 FZ1
'73 RD350
WITH helmet, BY choice, with full awarenes, and assumption of risks
involved.

 

His point, I think, was that narrow minded thinking like "Let's have a national
mandatory helmet usage law for adult motorcycle riders" is as nonsensical as
the same sort of narrow minded thinking that leads some riders to think "Let's
have a national ban on sportbikes," which is not so far as one might think from
the narrow minded thinking of non motorcyclists that leads to such ideas as
"Let's have a national ban on those dangerous, loud, fast, and did we mention
dangerous motorcycles," which few of us would agree (here in reekyland) is a
GOOD idea.


Tim

BTW, my spelchekur thinks that "Riceland" would be a good alternative to
"reekyland"!!!

 

People believe what they want to believe about politicians... usually it
makes them feel better to believe something negative... that's just
human nature...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

as is Lord Acton's dictum about power corrupting.
R, UB

 

Guvmint
John... the word is Government... your choice shows no respect... Sir do
you mind showing some respect in the company of a 20 year Veteran???

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

I see a national helmet law as just keeping pace with the times...

You can get skin cancer from sunlight, we better make going outside illegal.
Many people die on the toilet, better get rid of them, too.

 

Larry, I'm a vet too. I believe the rest of my post should demonstrate
that I do indeed know that the word is "government" and that I know
*something* about our Government. Shows no respect to what? You? Our
Government? Which branch? Executive? Legislative? The legislative
branch is turning right into the fractious mob that Madison feared.
That self-serving lot deserves to be tossed out on their collective
ear. I have no respect for a government soley because it is a
government. The Constitution of the United States of America is
another matter. Our FORM of government has my unending respect and
support.

I, like you swore to defend it against enemies both foreign and
domestic. The Constitution, and the rights it is supposed to guarantee
us is what I see being trod upon in the name of "government." I see it
being trod upon by calls for a national this, that and the other
thing. The Constitution, Sir, is what I would expect to be shown
respect.

I see our Federal government, elected (by us. we get the government we
deserve), appointed, and hired (yes hired. Federal bureaucrats, making
policy... administrative law, are hired.) making law, policy, and
regulations that daily constrain our freedoms and liberties. However,
one of those liberties I still enjoy is the liberty to use the word
"guvmint" if I chose. If YOU choose to see that as being disrespectful
of your service to this nation, then you are choosing to see what you
wish.

Another libery that I enjoy, is that of living under a representative
republic of sovereign States held together in a federation. Some seek
to undo that and turn it into a monolithic federal bureacracy,
unassailable by the People that it is supposed to be made up of. For
example, seeking national laws that encroach upon a State's right to
enact its own laws as it sees fit. If Minnesota decides to make enough
ridiculous legislation, I can go to Montana if I wish. Not so if the
only statutory law is Federal.

Spit on the flag and the blood of those who died fighting to secure
our freedom, and I'll bloody yer nose. Do NOT expect me to reserve
scorn when our government rates it.

I trust I have cleared up any misunderstanding concerning my regard
for you and your service to this nation.

Sincerely,

--

John Burkhardt
Apple Valley, MN
'02 FZ1
'73 RD350