Covering the front brake - Part II

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pip, Sep 15, 2004.

  1. Pip

    Pip Guest

    I've been trying not to. Cover the front brake, that is. Since the
    discussion a little while ago, it seemed like a good idea to break the
    habit on the open road and take hold of the twistgrip with all
    available digits.

    The outcome has been mixed - I unfurl fingers one and two from the
    brake lever and wrap them round the inboard end of the throttle and
    the feeling of "wrongness" has substantially disappeared. The
    persistent fingers reappear though, from time to time. Just when I
    least expect them to, like n the motorway when a car wobbles across
    the white line ahead and I consider it may be time to be ready - the
    fingers are already there. The thing is, I don't know how long
    they've been there ...

    Anyway, perhaps smoothness has been improved - certainly corner speed
    has not decreased noticeably so it isn't a bad thing.


    On the other hand, I had an incident:

    Out on the BOMB run from Pixiefest, I was on a bit of a mission along
    one of my favourite fast roads between Kimbolton and Chelveston. The
    mission was to make up time and have a bit of a hoot (and a hoon) as
    the road was empty and the weather conducive. At something in excess
    of twice NSL, there was a sudden bang and something hit the carbon
    knuckles of my right glove a sharp blow which bloody hurt - and in the
    same instant the front wheel shuddered hard and perhaps locked for an
    instant.

    The front end had a sharp weave and I seriously considered the
    possibility of surfing some Northants tarmac. I nearly shit, so I
    did. I wish the old RF would accelerate as well as my heartbeat -
    from 80 to 150 in a snap.

    As it calmed down a bit - well, the bike sorted itself out, thank ****
    - I realised what had happened. The cable tie securing the right
    upper fairing inner panel that runs from in front of the right knee
    area to up beside the clocks had let go and fucked off. This left the
    said fairing panel unsecured at the front/top edge and the air
    pressure inside the fairing had forced the panel up and back, breaking
    it away from its location in the fairing and into the side of the rev
    counter and it came out with a bang.

    The panel rotated on the rear fixing (cable tie) and smacked my
    fingers a mighty blow which the glove did a fine job of dissipating.
    It also applied the front brake very hard indeed; hard enough to trap
    fingers three and four behind the brake - and the lever doesn't
    usually come back that far, even in abnormal use.

    My point is that I had been trying not to cover the brake,
    particularly on that day as we were going quickly along familiar
    roads. At the time of the incident I was on a straight which
    undulates but has no junctions for half a mile in either direction, so
    I should have had all four fingers on the grip and not over the brake.

    However I had been covering the lever - and to be honest I'm pleased
    that I was - had the lever come back on all four fingers then I don't
    think I'd have been able to release the brake. I had two fingers free
    and as I instinctively opened my hand forcibly against the impact and
    pressure from the panel, it released the pressure on the lever. I
    really don't want to think about what might have happened if the brake
    had remained on as hard as it must have been for that split second.

    It was a very nasty moment and I think I got away with it .. again ...

    Thanks to Hog who supplied a replacement cable tie a few miles up the
    road and to everybody else who let me wibble at them in a white-faced,
    chain smoking, wild eyed sort of way. I really must sort the fairing
    out and get some proper fasteners in it before the next hoon, I
    reckon.
     
    Pip, Sep 15, 2004
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  2. There is is option of undertaking at this point. Well, slightly before
    this point.. :)
    Maybe a temporary bit of plastic or something attached to your glove?
    Not still enough to prevent your fingers from working but something with
    enough resistance for you to know it's there/happening?
    You'll never stop acts of God like this, you'll be buying solid tyres
    next to prevent punctures ;-)
    That's not a bad idea. You could also molish a semi-circular scaffold
    pole to fit the ends of your bike in case it happens again. I've seen it
    done in cartwheel style on those stunt videos and don't see why it can't
    be done on a RF ;-)
     
    Whinging Courier, Sep 15, 2004
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    Otter Guest

    On the same hand, shirley.
    A similar incident happened to me earlier this year.

    I was making progress along a favourite piece of road. A number of
    cars had moved over enough to make my progress easier - and the one I
    was passing was no exception. The only fly in the ointment was the
    oncoming car appearing around the (RH for me) bend with its offside
    wheels on the white line. If I had been on a straight then nothing
    would have happened but at this time I was leaning towards the middle
    of the road and my brake lever collected, I assume, their door mirror.
    The bike did a little squirm/squat and on I went. When I next went to
    use my brake lever I found that it had been bent back and downwards.
    When I got off at my destination I found the bike had a bust RH fork
    seal and I had fork oil over my right boot.

    Going back to the subject matter - I can't remember, but I can only
    assume, that I hadn't been covering the brake lever.
     
    Otter, Sep 15, 2004
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  4. Pip

    Otter Guest


    un·der·tak·ing ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ndr-tkng)
    n.

    1. A task or assignment undertaken; a venture.
    2. A guaranty, engagement, or promise.
    3. The profession or duties of a funeral director
     
    Otter, Sep 15, 2004
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    Daz Guest

    I nearly always cover the front brake with my index finger. Why is
    this so bad? Would you be good enough to point me in the general
    direction of the OP if it was on here?

    <snip>
     
    Daz, Sep 15, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    You snipped it: overtaking cars.
     
    Ben Blaney, Sep 15, 2004
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    Jeremy Guest

    How refreshing to see a balanced view ;)

    Glad you were able to write this up (as I suspect you are).


    --

    jeremy
    ['75 RD250A ] | ['02 Fazer 600 in blue]
    _______________________________________
    jeremy at hireserve dot com
     
    Jeremy, Sep 15, 2004
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    Zymurgy Guest

    Would that be like, say, overtaking a bike whilst it was overtaking a car ;-)

    Cheers,

    Paul.
     
    Zymurgy, Sep 15, 2004
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    Otter Guest

    'It seemed like a good idea at the time.'
     
    Otter, Sep 15, 2004
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  10. You may have a point there. In fact, it's a very good one. Part of the
    reason I don't go for really silly gaps is the mirrors first and then
    the jabbing of the front brake, much as Pip described, with the mirrors
    on the cars.

    Dexion molishment or tungsten strap-ons sound ideal for the task and as
    Frank Thomas boots are complete wank for removing wing mirrors, I'm
    looking for something that will maim if not kill for myself :)
     
    Whinging Courier, Sep 15, 2004
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    Christofire Guest

    Sod that - you want overtaking a bike that's overtaking a car that's
    overtaking a car. You'd never catch me doing that, no siree-bob.
     
    Christofire, Sep 15, 2004
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    Christofire Guest

    That musn't have been me then - which bit did that happen on? Was I
    there? And if not, oh.
     
    Christofire, Sep 15, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Did you manage to shout "****" at him as you went past?
     
    Ben Blaney, Sep 16, 2004
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    'Hog Guest

    The scooter rider may also have had an Oirish accent.
     
    'Hog, Sep 16, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Quite right too. Fucking scooterists.
     
    Ben Blaney, Sep 16, 2004
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  16. Pip

    Pip Guest

    That will be the left slot lurking just over the crest, immediately
    before the A507 goes right and heads for the woods, no doubt. That
    junction is fucking infamous for nasty smashes, as the visibility from
    it to the right (where you were coming from) is poor due to the crest.
    You frequently get little old trilby-wearers pulling out of there at a
    dawdle, then piddling along the 507 at 25mph for several hundred
    yards.

    You don't know the road that well, so you are in what I class as the
    dangerous stage - you know where it goes, but you don't know the
    hazards. That is only one step from the dreaded "I remember this
    road, it goes left ... " and then finding it goes right because you've
    misremembered or you've overlaid a completely different road in your
    head. That happens to me when I go back to an area I used to live in
    and through painful experience I've learned to ignore memory and rely
    on observation. And knock 10mph off just in case.

    In the case of this particular junction (and I'm fucking amazed there
    isn't a speed camera covering it, but I'll come back to that) you will
    find that lots of locals will roll off a bit - having just hurled
    through the very pleasant banked bend preceding it - and stand on the
    pegs to see if there is a car roof visible over the crest, before
    settling for the right hander.

    The next junction, the Millbrook crossroads, is even worse for T-bone
    type crashes and again, if there were ever a case for a speed camera
    to make drivers on the 507 keep it down to 60 through it ... but there
    isn't. Hah.

    On the subject of your well-fucked disc, I've had a look for prices.
    **** me, they're scary. The best one so far is here:
    http://www.holeshotracing.co.uk/parts/brakes.asp
    at 107 quid for an EBC Pro-Lite disc or 89 for the PFM item.

    I'd call that a result, mate. You didn't crash.

    I had a similar one a couple of weeks ago further back along the same
    road. Where the 507 comes out of Ridgemont and goes down the hill and
    across the M1 there's a lovely sweeping left hander, easily negotiable
    at the ton. Not if there's a Belgian in un camion super-grand trying
    to do a U-turn using the gateway on the right, it isn't. Much heavy
    brakeage whilst leaning back and left was undertaken and the RF
    scraped past his back end with not a lot to spare.

    That too was a result, but it left a pucker in the seat.
     
    Pip, Sep 16, 2004
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    Pip Guest

    Yes, you were there, but a few minutes in front, I would guess. It
    was on the section before we stopped for lunch at the pub - the
    straight bits ~4km before the curves down to the pub.

    Here, if you're really interested:
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.s...&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&dn=629
    just about where the 67m spot height is.
     
    Pip, Sep 16, 2004
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    Nigel Eaton Guest

    Oh yes. There are rumble strips before it. They're a big clue that
    something nasty lurks over yonder crest.

    --
    Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets

    WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
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    Honda GL1000K2 Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
     
    Nigel Eaton, Sep 16, 2004
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    Pip Guest

    Do it. See you shortly afterwards.

    Hah.
     
    Pip, Sep 16, 2004
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    Pip Guest

    Game on.
    Just down the road ;-)
     
    Pip, Sep 16, 2004
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