Covering the brake

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pip, Jul 8, 2004.

  1. Pip

    Pip Guest

    I knew that *you* would say that, from previous conversations.
    That's what I'm getting at really. It is comfortable to me, in fact
    not covering the brake (first and index fingers extended and resting
    flat on the lever) feels unnatural and forced.
    Well, that's the nub, I suppose. I am comfortable and I think my
    throttle control is at least adequate in that the RF hasn't spat me
    off yet and I can provide quick but smooth pillionage. Whether I can
    improve by forcing myself off the lever is the query - I think I'll
    have to give it another go.
    I just spotted a typo - that should have been L3, not L1. Lane 1 was
    busy, L2 less so - not so much behind but fairly well-loaded in front
    (should have spotted the pattern, indicating the presence of a copper,
    duh) and I was easy to spot, being the only one out by the Armco,
    hurling out of the nearly-set sun at the ton.

    My point was that the grab (very rapid on-and-off) I gave the brake
    was purely instinctual. I didn't need to think about it - as I saw
    Traffic Car I grabbed brake. Had I needed to release the throttle,
    move fingers up and apply pressure, in that fraction of a second I'd
    have been level with Plod and he'd have certainly seen brake lights -
    the RF doesn't **** about with piddly brake lights, either. I think
    he'd have been more moved to pull me had he seen lights as evidence of
    grabbing a handful, see?
     
    Pip, Jul 8, 2004
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  2. Pip

    Pip Guest

    Aye, fair enough.
    That's fair enough too, watch out for them rabbits. Banging the
    throttle shut mid-corner will put you over the hedge too, of course.
    I reserve the rear brake for mid-corner moves - or at least I did,
    until I found the only comfortable riding postion on the RF is with
    the balls of my feet on the pegs. Covering the rear is restricted to
    slow speed stuff, these days.
    My bad, my typo. I was the _only_ vehicle in Lane 3, with a
    completely open road in front of me - although there was heavy traffic
    in L2 which I was aware of. Plod was in L1, the bus in L2 and I
    caught sight of Plod as the rear of the bus exposed the Battenburg. I
    reckon I was on the brake, lost 30mph and off again before the
    driver's window was visible - a split-second later and he'd have seen
    brake lights and moved in for the pull.

    I had an excuse ready, though. I would have said (in mitigation at
    the side of the road) that I had been doing a sensible speed, keeping
    station with the traffic, when I saw the VW bus pull out in front of
    the BMW. I then gave it a good squirt to clear the BMW before he
    could pull out on me, see? Making space for him, keeping me and my
    pillion safe, but putting me well over the limit for a couple of
    moments. More or less what happened, omitting the actual speed I'd
    been maintaining for the past 30 miles.
     
    Pip, Jul 8, 2004
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  3. Pip

    Pip Guest

    My pint precisely. Fractions of a second saved can massively effect
    outcomes, I reckon.
    That's the question. Is it worth retraining myself to ride with
    fingers off levers?
    Pathans, innit?

    I wished I'd been wearing them on Sunday night - the temperature
    inversions an hour later chilled my hands to the point of numbness
    every time the road dipped. The sight of the mist in the fields
    apparently being held back by the hedgerows from spilling onto the
    motorway largely made up for it, mind.
     
    Pip, Jul 8, 2004
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  4. Pip

    Pip Guest

    Well fucking well go and look, will you?

    You won't cover, of course. You're Old Skool, like Ace.
     
    Pip, Jul 8, 2004
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  5. Pip

    sweller Guest

    Why not French?
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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  6. Pip

    sweller Guest

    Guzzi, not the front lever, my foot covers the brakes.

    On the MZ Trophy I have to pull the lever most of the way in to take up
    the slack. Every second counts.
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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  7. Pip

    sweller Guest

    AOL
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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  8. Pip

    sweller Guest

    My new Berings are excellent. They're a touch too big without liners but
    1112 miles in one /cold/ weekend and not a finger tingle.
    I saw that recently the mist spilling down the cess (the bit between the
    rails and the fence). Very satisfying, IYSWIM.
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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  9. Pip

    sweller Guest

    I try to avoid touching the brakes at all. I find it makes for much
    smoother and better thought out riding. Tends to make it quicker too.
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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  10. Pip

    sweller Guest

    Have you got any prices? I wouldn't mind doing this anyway.
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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  11. Pip

    Muck Guest

    Talking about filtering, why don't the scooter boi types do it here?
    Using their scooters as a stop gap until they get a car, thus thinking
    car all the time? Useless at filtering? Stupid? All three?

    For filtering practice, I go into Brighton and if I know it's going to
    be really busy, I take the CG125. That gets through smaller gaps. :)
     
    Muck, Jul 8, 2004
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  12. Muck wrote
    Lack of bollox?

    It is different in Essex, we are hard we are.
     
    steve auvache, Jul 8, 2004
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  13. Pip

    darsy Guest

    well, if you ask me, "yes".

    but, what do *I* know?
     
    darsy, Jul 8, 2004
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  14. Pip

    darsy Guest

    and you of all people know that *I* could be smoother, so it's not
    everything. But it's a start.
     
    darsy, Jul 8, 2004
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  15. Pip

    darsy Guest

    no, you're right - it's one of the areas of my riding that needs
    attention.
     
    darsy, Jul 8, 2004
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  16. Pip

    Muck Guest

    You've not had to work on anything machanical and French?
     
    Muck, Jul 8, 2004
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  17. Pip

    Muck Guest

    Could be.. Judging by the sorts of cars they tend to want after their
    sooters.
    The only person from Essex I knew was a girl, and she was quite soft and
    squishy, squidgy even.
     
    Muck, Jul 8, 2004
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  18. all 3 IMO. You see it in London too - people waddling along between the
    cars when there's oodles of space for them to filter in.
     
    Paul Corfield, Jul 8, 2004
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  19. I'd like to say I do that too but I think I have outstretched finger
    syndrome on roads outside of town.
    IIRC this is what Dave Cordon said on my training. There was a strong
    emphasis on relaxing and using the grips on the handlebars for throttle
    and steering control. If you read the road correctly then you wouldn't
    need the "comfort" of covering the brake lever. It's a bit like Eaton
    teddy bear hugging syndrome.

    It's a hard discipline to apply if you are not used to it but when it
    all gels then the riding position felt better and my speed was certainly
    higher and road positioning correct for the situation.
     
    Paul Corfield, Jul 8, 2004
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  20. Pip

    sweller Guest

    The Renault 4 Fiona had was excellent to work on; the 2CV we had for a
    bit was well designed in its own Gallic way.

    No worse than a comparable BMC/Leyland.
     
    sweller, Jul 8, 2004
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