court

Mr Big's sausage safe?

 

well from recent pronouncements it hasn't seemed to be as dire as it was
9-12 months ago. And I frankly don't believe that you are on the edge of
extreme poverty or anything that remotely resembles it.

The desire to save the cash I can comprehend but I do think the usually
flawless darsy logic may not serve you as well as you might imagine in
this case.

 

Previously on ukrm, steve auvache said...

Pah, newbie

 

Well, remember, this is quite a diff scenario to the one Champ was in.
IIRC, he pleaded guilty, so all his was about was mitigation.

As you've pleaded NG, yours will be a summary trial. Presumably they've
sent you the evidence they plan to use against you? I gather you have the
video, but do you have any other evidence - PCs notebook, statement etc?
The CPS will have to prove the case and they may call the PC to give
evidence against you and he may be necessary to bring the video into
evidence. If someone does give live evidence, you can always cross
examine them.

After the CPS puts forward the evidence, you'll be putting forward your
evidence. And for that, you need to make sure you're well prepared. I
said that a lot of people will be over awed by the experience of being in
court and will usually forget stuff, which could be important stuff. I've
no doubt you'll be ok, but just rehearse the sodding thing, yes, in front
of a mirror/Angie or whatever. Just try it and refine it. But at the same
time, be flexible, write down bullet points, not a long statement. You
could read it out, but for example, if they stop and ask questions in the
middle, it can be very hard to regain your compsoure and pick up from
exactly where you left off. By all means write it out, practice over the
w/e what you want to say but reduce it to cue cards. The other option is
to type out a written statement, hand it up, then give a short precis of
it orally from cue cards (tell them you're not reading it out but
summarising it). So when they retire to decide what to do, they have it
in their hands and can always re-read it IYSWIM.

As for the cross exam itself, you're always going to be on your own for
that. It'll probably be fairly gentle. CPS reps in the mags court aren't
renowned for their cross exam technique. Obvious thing is to anticipate
what they'll ask you.

 

65533.news.uni-berlin.de:

Wouldn't bother. They're just likely to make it worse.

 

In triped:

I think you'll find that under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act, you're
not required to declare speeding type points after five years which matches
the Inscos stance. After the five year period, its as if the conviction
never happened (for most purposes, anyway).

 

Maybe, but how are you going to question what they say? As you've
accepted their statement, whataver you say against it, they're not there
to answer back IYSWIM. So, it's likely the mags will accept their
version. Really.

The fact that you haven't asked for them in person may also be seen as
conflicting with your NG plea. i.e. you're not really disputing what the
coppers say, but you enter a NG plea anyway. They may see that as a bit
of a try on from you [1].

The plea change is always an option. At the hearing, they will ask you to
confirm your pleas. And you can change to a guilty one - and if you give
a good reason why, you may get away with it.

Course, they may hear you together, or separately. Likely to be together
as it's the same facts and will save time. But if separately, the one who
goes second has a real advantage.


[1] Although as you've pleaded to speeding, that should counter it.

 

What the hippy says is spot on. Local knowledge is priceless. If you can
find someone who knows the local beaks/coppers etc, at least you know what
to expect and can plan around it.

 

Laurie Birkett wrote

Kin cheek. I have been studying female wobbly bits since before you was
old enough to know what a tourist was, let alone fleece one.

 

sweller said:

What's the odds on Bear being the cheif magistrate?

 

You git.

Stolen my thunder, you have.

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Bugger.

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I think you're wrong on this point. It's not a criminal offense so I
don't think the rehabilitation bit applies. If you don't want to
disclose the information you're at liberty not to- just find an
insurance co. that doesn't ask for this.

 

You're a very bad man...

What's the odds on Bear knowing the Chief Magistrate through some mutual
contact?

 

wrote in

He's not wrong you know.

If you don't want to

But I think the ABI recommends that insurers comply with the spirit of
the Act.

 

Industry body 'recommendations' are fairly worthless and have little in
the way of teeth; I often chair one and have some dealings with UK and
European regulators.

They are a guide on how the industry would like to be seen and what the
more responsible members would like to see done. The less responsible
members will wordsmith so "must and shall" are changed to "should" and
"should" is changed to "may", "requires" is changed to "recommends" etc.
etc. etc.

Complying with the 'spirit' of an Act is a meaningless statement. The
spirit can vary depending on the chosen interpretation. And then we get
the lawyers involved and half of them say black is white and the other
half say white is black...

It's exactly the sort of stuff I deal with on a daily basis *sigh*

I like this part of my work.

 

Dunno about the ABI but the financial services ombudsman has gone on the
record about this and he does have teeth.

But we've been here before.

url:http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&...3eee3e4a$0$18491$

 

There's a world of difference between an Industry body and an Ombudsman.

 

WTF? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

It's not the money at stake imho and ime. For the next *four* years
you *could* be sitting of 9 points, right on the precipice of a ban.
I think that's even worse than a ban...

#every speed limit you break
#every stoppie you make
#every plodmobile you undertake
#they'll be watching you.

I'd be on the phone tomorrow until i got one, but i could be just
overly paranoid.

Whatever happens i shall have fingers crossed for you both.

 

Previously on ukrm, Pip said...

It's OK, no-one would believe I really have a name that stupid.