court

well, possibly. It also "implies" that, now having seen the video
evidence (which I hadn't had the opportunity to do so when originally
pleading not-guilty by post) I've simply changed my mind and can see
their point.

 

Been a long time since I needed one[1], maybe worth phoning the court
now and seeing what the drill is.


[1] Crosses fingers & touches wood

 

Is it?

Didn't know that...

I seriously recommend a solicitor then as they're very, VERY, anti-bike
thanks to all the bad publicity they get because of the Cat & Fiddle
(among other superb, if high death rate, roads around Macc). You could
say they're heavy handed, or that they're making examples of the riders
they prosecute - personally, I think they're being cunts

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Do you think this would make a good line of defence?

 

I suppose so.

I thought JP's advice was to cop for the speeding and resist the without
due care. Was the expectation/hope that this would cause them to drop
the without due care charge?

If you get convicted for 'without due care' I can see that fucking up
your insurance for a while, if you plead not guilty then at least
there's a possibility that this won't happen albeit with a risk that if
you are convicted you get a 9 point penalty rather than a 6 point one
and then get banned under totting up.

I know what I'd do; get a man in to do the pleading and go for not
guilty on without due care. It'll be painful enough if you lose such
that the additional 350 quid (or whatever assuming you share a brief
with Adie) won't add greatly to the pain. Let's be honest it's not as
if Adie and you can't find 350 quid each.

 

yes. It didn't work, obviously.

it wouldn't appear to, if the online insurance quote engines are to be
trusted (and they've always been OK in the past). It's only a ban that
fucks things up nicely.

that's the worry.

yes, but that's 350 quid in addition to whatever the fine is...

 

I'd use it being the diplomat that I am

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I agree. Let's hope Darsy reads this thread.

 

Even so, 350- more is not going to break either of you. I think the
fine (and brief fee) is an irrelevance, it's the points that matter.

The best you can hope to walk away with is 3 points for speeding
(pleading not guilty to the WDC and this being accepted).

If you plead guilty, to WDC, the best you walk away with is 6 points for
WDC and 3 for speeding- 9 points. That means one further incident in
the next three years (isn't it three?) and you're up for a ban. I'd say
that with the current enforcement of speeding, it's pretty likely that
you might get nabbed just the once so 9 points is *likely* to eventually
be a big part towards a ban.

If you plead not guilty and get convicted then you're most likely up for
a ban now. Well, it's tough and all but it's not a bad time of year to
be banned and at least you get a clean license back after the ban
expires- albeit with chequered insurance.

I wish you luck; genuinely.

 

****, that might change the required strategy to plead guilty and be a
sorry motherfucker.

In either case, get a brief!

 

Four.

 

Just tell the beak you were mesmerised by her arse.
Instant get off. Nul points. They'll even pay *you* money.

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FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19

 

It's a bit late to change your plea. If you really want to give it a
shot, phone the court and tell the Clerk now - you might be able to
arrange a different date and then turn up simply to nod your head and
look meek and sorrowful.

Chances are, though, that the Clerk will simply tell you it's too late
and to turn up on the due date. If you appear there next week and change
your plea in the court, you run the risk of pissing off the mags, who
generally hate that; a not guilty plea usually involves the cops having
to be there to testify and that's involved arranging time in court for
them and all that kind of thing.

Take it from me; don't change your plea on the day after all the
arrangements have been made; there's nothing more guaranteed to get up
the beaks' noses. They will take their revenge on you, in the only way
they know how.

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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19

 

No, it's three for the points to be counted in the "totting up"
procedure
although the endorsment must remain on the license for four years.

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/endorsem.htm

 

Three for totting up purposes, 4 before you can have them removed from
you licence.

 

I'd agree. If darsy/Adie can get a two for one offer on Adie/darsy it
may not be that expensive divvied up.

Probably taking the am-dram a little too far and may actually do more
harm than good, IMO.

A ban isn't impossible if you wind them up, I still reckon with the right
approach, brief an' all it'll be a lower fine and less costs.

Certainly deal with the video and over egged charge of due care and you
may be able diminish the plods credibility on the paltry 85mph.

So, I'm sticking with £130+3pts.

 

well, I'm going to call a few places up - the 500 quid that Adie got
quoted seems excessive to me.

 

And five before you have to stop declaring them to inscos.

 

Arguments like this will usually only be accepted if supported by
video evidence, backed up by an expert in burds arses.

 

I wouldn't.

Stick with guilty for speeding (which you are) and NG for WDC. Unless
the video *does* show you as a granny raping bad ass outlaw biker. Or as
is probably the case just filtering a bit.