Country towns not well

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Andrew Price, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. Andrew Price

    CrazyCam Guest

    Diogenes wrote:


    Aye, and now that the V7 Classic is available, I can live with "everyone
    must own at least one Guzzi" laws.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Dec 3, 2008
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  2. Andrew Price

    Diogenes Guest

    Oh I dunno, I quite like my two hemp shirts. I'm not planning to
    smoke them though...
    Well, I had to really think hard there, and finally I came up with
    this: It's legal to have fun in NSW - - - - Nah, scratch that...

    Onya bike...

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, Dec 3, 2008
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  3. Andrew Price

    Diogenes Guest

    That'd be the Australian made and owned Guzzi, right?

    Onya bike...

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, Dec 3, 2008
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  4. Andrew Price

    CrazyCam Guest

    If there was to be an Ozzie Guzzi, it would have to have an engine
    designed before the second world war.....oh...well...err....

    I'll be off now.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Dec 3, 2008
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  5. Andrew Price

    Nev.. Guest

    So your plan to save Australian jobs is to penalise the corporations who
    are growing cotton and employing Australians. Tell me, how would you
    "shut down" these rorts.. by taking away the tariffs? or do you have
    some other sort of financial disincentive which causes the growers to
    plough the cotton back into the ground and sack the Australians employed
    by them?

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
     
    Nev.., Dec 3, 2008
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  6. Andrew Price

    Diogenes Guest

    I'd co-opt geniuses like JL and your good self, and all would be ok.


    Onya bike...

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, Dec 3, 2008
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  7. ">>So what incentive is there for the Oz jeans manufacturer to get

    And likely we end up wearing shoddy jeans made by inefficient textile mills
    while paying heaps for low quality clothes and the value of the dollas kept
    in Aust.falls even more..

    Competition, real competition, is the only thing that industry will respond
    to in the name of greater quality and cost effiencies. Tariffs while
    supporting local jobs is a severe determent to improving quality and
    efficiency unless they are accurately targeted and short lived.

    One example is Harleys' plea for the US govt to impose tariffs on the
    Japanese MC manufactures in the 80s' due to their alleged dumping of bikes
    into US markets. The US gov. agreed to a 5 year tariff imposition

    Honda decided to produce Goldwings, a big US seller, in the US thus
    bypassing the tariff. Harley however had enough time to launch the
    Evolution motor. This was so successful that Harley asked the Gov to axe
    the tariff a year or so earlier than they originally proposed.

    Well targeted, short-lived and successful in keeping a local manufacturer
    afloat while improving the product out of this world.

    Yes I know Harleys are actually made in China and only assembled in the US
    but not even the die hards can afford 75USD for an 883

    Eventually the wages in these third world countries rise and the cycle
    continues, its a small world out there and getting smaller by the week
    putting up tariff walls is a short term insular bandaid. Long term it just
    wont work

    Capt A. L.
     
    Capt.about_lunchtime, Dec 3, 2008
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  8. In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:36:17 +1100

    The seat is traditional Italian marble, other than that it seems a
    nice workhorse of a bike.

    Plenty of room to strap weird shaped loads on, and should make a good
    basis for all sorts of specials.

    I expect the Germans to create a number of aftermarket goodies for it.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Dec 3, 2008
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  9. Andrew Price

    G-S Guest

    Personally I'd be tempted to offer them incentives to convert to crops
    that don't use quite so much water :)


    G-S
     
    G-S, Dec 3, 2008
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  10. Andrew Price

    Boxer Guest

    And a hell of a lot of pesticide.



    "In fact, conventional and GM cotton accounts for 16 percent of global
    chemical pesticide use, more than any other single crop, and reaps US$2
    billion for the chemical industry every year. Of that, US$112 million is
    spent on Aldicarb, an acutely toxic pesticide classified by the World Health
    Organisation as "WHO1a", or "extremely hazardous." One drop is sufficient to
    kill an adult male. Yet one million kilos of Aldicarb was applied to cotton
    crops in the USA in 2003. And, at least 1 million agricultural workers
    around the world are hospitalised because of acute pesticide poisoning each
    year."

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Picking_Cotton_Carefully.php

    Boxer
     
    Boxer, Dec 3, 2008
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  11. Bullshit. I'll pay AUD115.00 for yours.

    Are you sure you meant " ... 75USD ..."?
     
    Andrew McKenna, Dec 3, 2008
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  12. Andrew Price

    Damien Guest

    I did it last weekend (through the blasted bloody wind and rain and snow
    - last time I head off anywhere without checking the bloody forecast
    first!), and it was a bloody good road indeed. Even in the midst of the
    most miserable weather I've ever ridden a bike in, I was still able to
    appreciate the quality of the tarmac beneath the tyres - even though the
    strength of the gusts was sufficient to seriously damage my faith in the
    strength of the connection between rubber and road!

    If you can enjoy it in that sort of weather, how good must it be when
    conditions are better?
     
    Damien, Dec 3, 2008
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  13. Andrew Price

    Damien Guest

    Correction, the weekend before! (22nd)

    I didn't even consider going back that way on the Sunday though, since
    the weather deteriorated even further (and I found out when I got home
    that the road was closed between Bathurst and Goulburn anyway). It took
    1.5 hours to do Bathurst-Cowra, and a fair chunk of that extra half hour
    was spent just getting to Blayney in the first place (normally only a 20
    minute ride!).
     
    Damien, Dec 3, 2008
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  14. Andrew Price

    Damien Guest

    Be thankful you weren't on the road the weekend before! :)
     
    Damien, Dec 3, 2008
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  15. Andrew Price

    jl Guest

    What makes you think I rort the tax system Gerry ?

    JL
     
    jl, Dec 3, 2008
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  16. Andrew Price

    jl Guest

    Indeed - seriously shite stuff cotton ban the stuff and allow them to
    grow hemp

    JL
     
    jl, Dec 3, 2008
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  17. Andrew Price

    jl Guest

    Points to Boxer's note. Not that there seems to be any possibility of
    convincing you of anything.

    Cotton's Bad M'kay. Hemp's good.

    JL
     
    jl, Dec 3, 2008
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  18. Andrew Price

    jl Guest

    My my you've taken a nasty turn haven't you. No the smiley doesn't make
    it funny.

    JL
    (and no I'm not upset before you go all George on me)
     
    jl, Dec 3, 2008
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  19. Andrew Price

    jl Guest

    <Shrug> from my perspective I don't see your obsession with the
    ownership, it's the skills that determine our long term viability and
    future- it makes no economic sense to "sell the farm to consume" so I'm
    no big fan of privatisation for its own sake. Natural monopolies should
    stay with the govt. But other than that capital makes it's rent in
    profit and labour makes it's in wages, but the difference is dollars are
    dollars and entirely substitutable, people and skills aren't as
    interchangeable
    Fair enough, perhaps I need to reword that for you.

    Money is an illusion, a collective delusion we all choose to participate
    in because it's convenient. Skills however aren't illusory, either you
    know how to weld or you don't.

    We can remove money out of society and society can still exist. When you
    remove enough skills, society is unsustainable.

    The "as long as capital is available" was a reference to the war example
    - it doesn't matter whose capital or where it comes from (if you retain
    the money illusion) - so we go to war and then the govt substitutes its
    capital for the foreign capital and no one is affected at all
    <shrug> the example was a war, we're already kicking someone or trying,
    you can't make it much worse if you seize their assets, wouldn't be at
    all surprised if it's in the "rules of war"(1) such as they are


    Yeah OK Gerry, I'm too thick to understand your genius and insight

    Tariffs are a blunt instrument of extremely dubious efficacy, however
    they don't actual give money to the companies they protect - the govt
    gets that. Are you confusing the difference between a subsidy and a tariff ?
    <shrug> Jobs and skills matter in our ability to survive in a changing
    world. Throwing up trade barriers doesn't really do what you're
    proposing - North Korea and Burma aren't exactly doing well.

    OK, so other than the black dog camped at your place, in what way is
    civilisation collapsing? Serious question.

    We've just had a sharemarket and financial crisis - OK, but we had one
    of those in 1930, 1890 (and if I recall correctly 1850 odd, 1810 ish.
    1775 ish and 1670 ish) asset bubbles and severe recessions happen. I
    very much doubt this one will be anywhere near the 1930's one - yes
    Iceland is going to be in a bad way for a long time, and probably the
    Ukraine as well, but the developed countries can weather another
    recession without the sky falling in.

    Oh for heavens sakes Gerry - you come over all conspiracy theory and
    trade protectionist and you object to me mentioning the fact that I've
    heard this argument before ?
    Very simple - shall I quote back at you the parts you snipped where you
    made sweeping statements about what economists believe, say, think etc ?
    That's what I was referring to.

    If you'd said "some right wing economists think" or "keynesians say" or
    etc then you're not lumping everyone together. When you say "economists
    If you say so Gerry

    <shrug> You can have an opinion that the moon is made of green cheese
    too, and if you assert it I'll ask for something that verifies or
    supports your opinion.

    JL
    (1) Legal conventions and etc that govern this sort of stuff - I'm no
    expert on what's what in that space
     
    jl, Dec 3, 2008
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  20. Andrew Price

    Diogenes Guest

    I just told you you'd get the chance to convince me, and quick as a
    falsh, you convince yourself that I can't be convinced. Have you
    ever considered the possibility that your synaptic processes are
    utterly fucked?

    Onya bike...

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, Dec 3, 2008
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